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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#741 - 2013-10-08 09:49:09 UTC
Catherine Au wrote:
This was a publicised contest.

The gifts to SOMER were given in secret.

Totally different.


Not to mention the sole reason for Eve-Tribune existing isn't for profit. You know, unlike Somer Blink.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Zuni Jovakko
Doomheim
#742 - 2013-10-08 09:52:27 UTC
Catherine Au wrote:


Quote:
The Eve Tribune is running a contest to synch up with the release of Tyrannis release and we have $200.00 in prizes donated by CCP to give away to the winners. It's not straight up cash dollars, but it spends just like cash on anything you want from the EVE store.


This was a publicised contest.

The gifts to SOMER were given in secret.

Totally different.

Totally agree with you.

Also a huge difference between giving coupons to Eve store, a graphics card, tshirts or similar real life objects of small value, than a potential market crashing donation of in-game items, worth trillions of isk (and potentially thousands upon thousands of dollars worth in RMT if you have your tinfoil hat on), and unique items impossible to obtain via normal game play.

What other sites got in donations was fair, and small tokens of gratitude, in forms of out-of-game items.
What Somer got was a 'game balance changer' that spawned out of nothing, for the site to even profit further on.
Just look at the graph for increased plays on the site, the raw amount of isk earned on this stunt is insane, and that's the main reason of the drama for this dirty deal between CCP and Somer.
Takanuro
Eve Faction Trade Exchange
#743 - 2013-10-08 10:41:08 UTC
Did CCP just manage to start an 'EVE is dying thread'? /facepalm.

Sad to see this stuff happening. I don't play Blink but these transactions that are being discussed seem very corrupt. If I understand it correctly it goes like this:

1. CCP give SOMER limited edition ships.
2. SOMER raffle these ships off for Billions of isk.
3. There is no real giveaway as a players as a community have paid billions, and winner can take isk instead of the ship they won?
4. SOMER can therefore potentially keep ship and billions of isk?

Sounds like a dream business model and not sure where the 'community' side of things comes from.



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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#744 - 2013-10-08 10:54:31 UTC
Takanuro wrote:
Sounds like a dream business model and not sure where the 'community' side of things comes from.


Actually it's even worse. They were going to give SOMER 2 extremely rare ships to auction off for profit less than a month after giving Somer 30 free Ishukone Watch Scorpions for absolutely nothing.

So not only was it every point you made, it was less than a month after already receiving a substantial gift from CCP.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
#745 - 2013-10-08 12:44:11 UTC
CCP's fascination with and support of SOMER is totally baffling. Why should they get any preferential treatment of any sort? They're a for-profit gambling site.

In other news, the ReeRee Brigade is making some exciting new content available to the Eve community! If you cyb0r me in a suitably hot manner, you may have the opportunity to explore that content in greater detail...

CCP, please put your sponsorship contribution in the hanger wherever this char is parked. Thanks in advance!
Xeen Du'Wang
Perkone
Caldari State
#746 - 2013-10-08 13:31:20 UTC
It makes me wonder if CCP's Fascination with SOMER has something to do with...

The Devs play Eve

Maybe some Devs work for Sommer?

Maybe Sommer is a Dev?

Or finally... Maybe CCP is being run by a fool that recruits from EA.
Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#747 - 2013-10-08 13:57:58 UTC
Xeen Du'Wang wrote:
Or finally... Maybe CCP is being run by a fool that recruits from EA.

Made me chuckle. Lol
John Tomplin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#748 - 2013-10-08 13:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: John Tomplin
I see CCP pursuing audiences and revenue down many avenues at once: Dust 514, EVE online, and of course SOMER. It would be nice to see them pick up a magazine for online publication and diversify away from the lottery sites. I am not going to moralize endlessly about gambling, I just see more potential appeal in the fiction/comic idea of EVE rather than the lottery idea. It may not have the raw revenue, but comics are easier for a kid to bring home to their parents than their visa bill from a lottery site.

That's where it was at in my head when I visited a collectibles store last week. attract the gamers that were once the comic book crowd as an angle of attack. Most are computer equipped and Sci-fi saavy anyways.

I know there are criticisms of this approach, but with some charismatic writers attracted to the genre, EVE would have another prong in its approach.

A more "mom and dad friendly" prong than lotteries....

But I am also biased. I really like writing EVE fiction. its just the way I am wired.


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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#749 - 2013-10-08 15:08:22 UTC
I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#750 - 2013-10-08 15:20:51 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.



Thank you that you took care of this most important important issue.
Can we expect a response from CCP, or are the threads related to the topic just going to be randomly locked until people forget?

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Kate stark
#751 - 2013-10-08 15:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
since CCP locked the other thread and linked this one. is the discontent with the giveaway rewards and the fact that CCP feel it's fine to give any one they feel like it, any assets they feel like, in secret now the same issue?
or did CCP also miss the point?

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#752 - 2013-10-08 15:34:29 UTC
I guess we can just lump one ill-conceived handout with another...though it doesn't bode well for CCP's ~getting it~ with respect to the various issues at hand.

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#753 - 2013-10-08 15:37:43 UTC
first dev response in the other threadnaught was to... delete several bad posts, declare the rest of the thread irrelevant, and link to 2 topics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. real classy, CCP Roll
Zackgar
Lead Farmers
#754 - 2013-10-08 15:39:00 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.



Thank you that you took care of this most important important issue.
Can we expect a response from CCP, or are the threads related to the topic just going to be randomly locked until people forget?


Pretty much this.
Kate stark
#755 - 2013-10-08 15:50:46 UTC
wait wait...

inb4 CCP says the scorpions were meant to be lottery prizes and totally throws blink under the bus.
that's the only way it makes sense to be directed to this thread from the locked thread.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#756 - 2013-10-08 15:56:36 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
first dev response in the other threadnaught was to... delete several bad posts, declare the rest of the thread irrelevant, and link to 2 topics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. real classy, CCP Roll


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Riyal
invidious Squid
#757 - 2013-10-08 15:58:48 UTC
There is no facepalm picture big enough for this.

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#758 - 2013-10-08 16:02:36 UTC
it's almost like they hired EA employees or something...
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#759 - 2013-10-08 16:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronco Platz
This isn´t for real now, or? I mean... No, simply no words

Ridiculous³

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
sally Deninard
mss industry
#760 - 2013-10-08 16:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: sally Deninard
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
first dev response in the other threadnaught was to... delete several bad posts, declare the rest of the thread irrelevant, and link to 2 topics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. real classy, CCP Roll


This.... so much this.

Also before the argument falls into whether the ships matter or not, it`s the silence that offends me most.
The clear
..we`ll communicate with third party sites that project our public image immediately, but the playerbase can go f..k thereselves.

If you have the time to edit and lock threads, find the time to answer the players.

silence= guilt