Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hehe, nice response. But I would still Dislike it if there was such a forum function.

Oh I've been to low, and the gate guns have never directly made a difference, if I encounter someone at the gate, its more than just one.

The only time I encounter people solo, is when scanned down.

To me the difference is: High sec: "help always comes when attacked, attackers always die".
I think we need a: "help always comes when attack, attackers can escape" intermediate.

Now I suggested that this intermediate span 0.4 and 0.3, or 0.5 and 0.4. I would think you'd like the 0.5 to 0.4 range

We could add an intermediate to high sec, where concord does not ECM jam.

So:

0.7 - No ECM insta-perma jamming from Concord, but Concord does give logi support to the target (lets say 250 hp/sec to armor and shield)
0.6 - No ECM insta-perma jamming from Concord, not reps from Concord.
0.5 - No Concord, but strong, scramming, e-waring, faction police spawns respond (slower than currently)
0.4 - No Concord, but weak, non- pointing, non-ewaring faction police spawns respond.
0.3 - 0.2 -> gate guns only
0.1 - Nothing to help, but at least there's no bubbles

Help doesn't "come" if its not already there.

If you are by a planet (perhaps a POCO run?), by a belt, at an anomaly, etc, you have 0 help.

We go from unescapable "protection" everywhere, to tankable "protection" in specific places.

I simply want an intermediate that has help that does come, even if you are away from a gate.
I want the quality of that help to decline before it goes away completely(first they stop jammin but give remote reps, then they stop jamming and stop remote reps, then concord stops responding and faction police do instead, then nothing responds, only gate guards, then not even those), with at least 1 security rating where its possible to escape that "summoned" help without losing your ship


The response time would be rather slow (lets say, 60 seconds?), so it would still be possible to get in, kill your target, and get out, without ever having to deal with the faction police spawn.

What is so wrong about having 1 security level where faction police instead of concord will warp on grid to assist?

You and I are really saying the same thing, you want the change to be made in 0.4, I want it in 0.5, but otherwise we are on the same page. I feel like 0.5 is logical considering it is the midpoint. High sec comes in 6 flavors (1.0 - 0.5), low sec comes in 4 (0.4 - 0.1), it seems logical that if either side is going to give a little, it would be the high side.

If the change is being made in 0.5 systems, then I think you would agree with me that Concord should still be inescapable, that firing a shot means you lose your ship. I just want players who fire that shot to have a little more combat time before they die.

I am rethinking 0.6 systems, maybe they need to stay as they are.

If we are nerfing highsec to help merge lowsec and highsec. Shouldn't we also nerf 0.1 space to bring it in line with nulsec? Because after all, not only not having any gate guns, but also getting caught in bubbles everywhere is extreme as well.

Proposed solution:
-Allow unanchorable bubbles in 0.1 systems.
-Allow Bombs in 0.1 systems
-Allow Titan DD in 0.1 systems

This way people can still use their ships to their full extent, but they cannot "claim" space like they can in nulsec by simply anchoring countless drag bubbles with virtually no risk to their ship.

I think with the proposed changes the OP has made to merge highsec and lowsec, with my proposed changes to merge lowsec and nulsec, we could finally be getting somewhere.

/sarcasm

I like the OP's idea a lot, as well as several of the other adjustments I have heard people talking about. I'm absolutely terrible at PvP when by myself, so I'm pretty much limited to either corp activities or highsec, unless I'm sneaking around protected systems in null. I'd really like to be able to increase the stakes a bit without increasing them unreasonably.

I have for a long time now been developing and tweaking an idea for middle-sec space, in which 0.4 - 0.6 would become this "middle-sec" and you wouldn't have CONCORD but you would have faction navy varying in power by sec status, and arriving in numbers based on number of attackers, just like CONCORD:
0.6 - faction navy would be notably weaker than CONCORD and theoretically possible to beat or escape, but so powerful escape is unlikely, and you probably just take advantage of their slightly lower DPS and lack of an instapop gun
0.5 - you can tank or fight them off for a while if you are really prepared or flying something expensive
0.4 - they spawn but are actually kinda weak - devastating in conjunction with gate or station guns but not much protection if the victim isn't fighting also

And you can fight the attacker too, without incurring any combat timer or even a weapons timer since you are assisting the law.
Lastly, I think that several of the better things you find in highsec should only be available in middle-sec and down, such as level 4 agents, anoms on the level of level 4 missions, omber/kernite.

One interesting thing with this is that a freighter could still make it through middle-sec but would rely on a small escort fleet.

I realize the OP feels there shouldn't be any new space added. That's a valid standpoint and why I also like his suggestion.

Sergeant Acht Scultz, I hear so many people say that, but it's a statement utterly devoid of context. It may be difficult to strike a balance between highsec and nullsec, but if it was done properly, then you would start to see the distinction that most certainly exists between the denizens of highsec. If it were actually difficult to pull off a gank and not lose an expensive ship in 0.5, to the extent that a pirate could never be certain whether or not it would work, then you would see lots of people delving out into 0.5 to try their luck. There would be lots of pirates out there very very carefully picking off the weak ones who aren't paying attention and/or fitting defensively, but most would be relatively safe.

Food for thought.

Thank you for the support. PS: really enjoyed the NPC damage types from your profile, very helpful for shooting at NPCs.

Yes we know pirates wants low sec between empires and it still is a bad idea.

If you want to shoot others go to wh, null, low sex or start a war. There are plenty of ways to make the life of an avarage high sec players life a pain in eve and the game definetly does not need more of those ways.

So no to this idea and because ccp (if I recall correctly) has stated and intented low sec to be the place you descibed in your idea. So if something needs to be done it should be done to low sec and not high sec.



Plus an idea like this is much more interesting that just making .5 less safer.

what a great comeback, and original too!