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Space Cameras + Competition gangs/corps

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Daravel
#1 - 2011-11-16 13:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Daravel
I've always been a little dissapointed at the lack of events run by players in the EVE universe, mainly because I have a lot of ideas myself but no time to implement them. After reading the dev blog on uploading your own videos to your captains quarters it reminded me of this idea I had which would potentially boost visibiliy of events, draw an audience and thus make events a little more viable, fun to run and profitable.

Space cameras!

Essentially the event organiser(s) can purchase and anchor these cameras at any point in space, and film the action. Let's take a small PVP competition with 3 cameras, one player is put in charge of the "take" and chooses which cameras output to send out (or, all 3 are sent out and viewers can switch between them).

This opens up a wealth of opportunities, popular events can be televised, live, to the universe. Whether in peoples personal captains quarters or (in the future) to clubs and bars across the ether! Pay-per-view or lisences to broadcast the images, adverts, tv stations... endless possibilities

Just thought of something else! *cue excited imagination spree* Anyone ever watch Stargate Universe? With the "kinos" - little cameras that fly around. Imagine the revolution in news reporting if you could walk around a station with a camera and broadcast live, interview a pilot using EVE voice, then switch to your cameras in space, to watch and he and his alliance undock to partake in a huge fight.

Back to my original idea... I confess that my knowledge of gang mechanics is a little outdated. But I wonder if the reason why event are hard to organise and run is because the organiser needs to guarantee the safety of participants from outside interference, while also allowing the pilots to blow each other up. Perhaps joining a gang and competing in high sec solves all of these. But I wonder if it would be worth creating special 'comptetion gangs' that have slightly different rules or allowing a corporation to designate itself as a contest organiser and have slightly different rules regarding membership.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-16 14:02:25 UTC
o_o Live streaming a game into a game... I sure hope the hamsters are on steroids! Also I do not think EVE is the type of game to ever become an E-sport D: I know people who play it like to watch it, but that is the problem. People who play any game usually like to watch it. You have to get it so people who don't like to play the game like to watch it.

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-16 14:28:04 UTC
Most good fights and fleet ops are frapsed, shame that most of the time they're zoomed out.

I've had people comment on vids I've watched (who don't play eve) that really think the game involves purple squares killing red or orange squares.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#4 - 2011-11-16 14:34:47 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
o_o Live streaming a game into a game... I sure hope the hamsters are on steroids! Also I do not think EVE is the type of game to ever become an E-sport D: I know people who play it like to watch it, but that is the problem. People who play any game usually like to watch it. You have to get it so people who don't like to play the game like to watch it.


Not always true. People somehow like to watch soccer even though it's a slow-pased sport with a lot of loopholes in the rules while they don't even play at all. Usually they either want to dirnk beer and be fat, they have totally no connection to the sport.

Plus the camera is usually zoomed out and you don't really see what's happening down there.

Just like eve... The question is - why isn't eve popular on TV? D:

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Daravel
#5 - 2011-11-16 14:36:38 UTC
It's not about EVE becoming an E-sport, it's more about EVE coming to everyone in the universe, allowing players to really see what is happening. There are three uses I can think of off the top of my head:

Alliance fights - Big, planned fights would be of interest to a wide variety of people (new players wanting to see what it's all about). Vincent, you mention Fraps, and I think the issue is the zoom. Doesn't Fraps require that a player sit there and record it? This could have so much more functionality and clarity - and multiple cameras.

Events - 1v1, 2v2, 5v5 contests, races and all sorts of PVP events, I think there would be interest in watching these and would help to boost their audience and participation. Player run story events, you can have roleplayers acting out entire story lines in great detail and really deepend the lore of EVE.

News - live, in picture, with sound news - Need I say more?

What about players creating video blogs of their adventures or their use as reconnaisance tools?

The thing of 'streaming a game within a game' - I'm no technical whizz but could the camera not stream to an external source (EVE gate) then in-game players access it via EVE gates, or out of game. Allows players to save their recordings as well. A lot of functionality possible here
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2011-11-16 14:39:58 UTC
Eve is full of events, even goons organise stuff (ice ganking).

Join a FW/RP Corp

Check out intergalactic summit

CCP Dropbear organises stuff around the incursions and the jaralaan project all the time.

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Daravel
#7 - 2011-11-16 14:51:30 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Eve is full of events, even goons organise stuff (ice ganking).

Join a FW/RP Corp

Check out intergalactic summit

CCP Dropbear organises stuff around the incursions and the jaralaan project all the time.


Without reading every thread in the intergalatic summit forum, my understanding is that it is mostly about role playing events. FW (factional warfare?) - Are these events PVP or Roleplaying (Or are you just referring to the inherent PVP in factional warfare?)
I'm not sure what Dropbear's events involve...

I was referring to player created and player run PVP events in my first comment about the lack of events, as I understand it, most of what you referenced are either roleplaying events (which would benefit from the camera idea, but which there are plenty of) or are CCP/game created events (such as factional warfare).

By now, 8 years after release, I would have expected there to be at least 5 PVP leagues/championships. Why are there not popular, regular solo and group pvp events - I ran one many years ago but did not have the time to invest into it, but with dedication I do not see why it would not have grown to a decent size... Currently the most popular event in EVE, a game with endless possibilities, is a lottery.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#8 - 2011-11-16 14:54:10 UTC
While I really think this idea is awesome, there are few things to consider.

Basically, there are two ways to create the camera stream. On the server or on the client. The former would require CCP to provide renderers for every streaming player. The later would effectively be an in-built screen recorder of sorts, that then transmits the stream to streaming server at CCP. Here are two possible bottlenecks. Your processing performance, depending on CPU/GPU/RAM and your network upstream, especially if you want a somewhat nice resolution. The most efficient way regarding the system performance, would prolly be to only restrict the recording to the scenery you are seeing (without UI). Additional cameras would require additional POV managment and rendering.
You might want options to restrict viewers, by corp/alliance/standings or even allow them for the general public. Title, description and other optional info regarding the recording pilot like current location, ship, fitting etc. would be nice aswell.

Then we have the distribution of the stream. A simple way would be a webstream, cooler would be an ingame stream-client (to watch it in captains quarters or in a dedicated window when in space). The best solution would be both. Maybe a limit to unsubscribed viewers. On the website and ingame you would have a list of currently active and accessible streams from which you could choose a stream much like a TV channel.

To push the idea even further, you could have recording and watching pilots require to pay ISK/AUR for HD streams. And/or give recording pilots the option to require ISK from viewer (depending on corp/ally/standing?), kind of like Pay-TV.

Daravel
#9 - 2011-11-16 15:03:51 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:

To push the idea even further, you could have recording and watching pilots require to pay ISK/AUR for HD streams. And/or give recording pilots the option to require ISK from viewer (depending on corp/ally/standing?), kind of like Pay-TV.


Good points, I cut the technical stuff off because I really don't know a thing about that stuff, just wanted to highlight this point.

If we take the whole idea to it's conclusion (2-3 years away) we could be looking at something like this:

A monthly 2v2 cruiser competiton that has been running for a year, 50-60 participants with a 100mill entrance free and a 1 bill prize, held in high sec with the participants in a gang to legalise their combat. There are a handful of spectators. Cameras broadcast the footage out on the space-waves. A player can pay 100 mill to permamently subscribe to the "DaravelEventsCorp" channel, or a one time viewer can pay 10 mill and both get it beamed straight into their personal viewer (captains quarters, Eve gate, in space, on the web - all inclusive). Alternately, Joes Bar in Jita can pay 10 bill to subscribe or 50 0 mill for a one off, to get the rights to stream it in their venue (exclusive rights?)

CCP could charge Aurum to set up a broadcasting facillity (players can isk > Plex > Aur) without which you can not get started and would help to fund the server resources needed.
Daravel
#10 - 2011-11-16 17:33:18 UTC
Do current gang mechanics support high sec pvp for events (allowing gang members to shoot each other)?