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Random Ice belt deposits
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#1 - 2013-10-05 19:35:33 UTC
Ice Belts are now a deposit, why not have it pop up randomly in systems, instead of being a fixed deposit in selected system?
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-10-05 20:16:55 UTC
make the ice type random as well.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#3 - 2013-10-05 20:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrified
When they initially announced the changed to Ice belts, I was hoping they would make them more like Gravimetric sites. Alas, they did not.

Would be nice if they did make them like that but their frequency would need to be much higher than astroid grav sites.

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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#4 - 2013-10-06 09:24:32 UTC
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??
Olivia Barker
Lubrication Industries
#5 - 2013-10-06 23:15:15 UTC
Agreed on random ice belts
Soft Salami
Lubrication Industries
#6 - 2013-10-06 23:32:21 UTC
like
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#7 - 2013-10-07 01:17:25 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??

Because planets are for PI...
Dense.

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Short Willie SuckaLot
Lubrication Industries
#8 - 2013-10-07 06:49:26 UTC
yeah, give us random ice deposit.
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#9 - 2013-10-07 06:53:18 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??

Because planets are for PI...
Dense.


i know its PI, but ice is ice, wheter its in space or on planets
Loyal Follower
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-07 08:27:00 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??

Because planets are for PI...
Dense.


i know its PI, but ice is ice, wheter its in space or on planets


Fully agree and support the idea!
Tiedemans Tobakk
Lubrication Industries
#11 - 2013-10-07 11:04:49 UTC
agreed!!!
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-07 11:12:46 UTC
Loyal Follower wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??

Because planets are for PI...
Dense.


i know its PI, but ice is ice, wheter its in space or on planets


Fully agree and support the idea!


This would be really awesome and so it would be if all minerals were extracted just like that

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2013-10-07 12:21:55 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Loyal Follower wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
why cant we mine ice from ice planets??

Because planets are for PI...
Dense.


i know its PI, but ice is ice, wheter its in space or on planets


Fully agree and support the idea!


This would be really awesome and so it would be if all minerals were extracted just like that



Most of the minerals in the game are actually unstable at atmospheric temperatures/pressures (until alloyed) ... so makes it kinda hard to mine them (maybe as moon trash ... though why one would set up a tower to mine tritanium is beyond me Blink).

As for the ice, I could see maybe extracting some of the products off ice planets. However, the yields would have to be so terribad as to not really be useful (like needing 2 months of work to get 1 month's worth of ice fuel product).

Fact of the matter is though, CCP is (finally!) starting back on the path of "If you want something, you're gonna have to work for it ... HTFU"

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#14 - 2013-10-07 12:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
I support the random Ice Deposits. Stops all those fleets just docking up and rinsing and repeating whenever Ice Belts spawn BUT before this happens they need to move Ice and Gravimatric\Ore Signatures to be probable ONLY.

Not the instant ping that they are now when you enter system where anyone and their Slaver Hound can warp in on top of you. Want the Ice\Ore then scan it down, want to kill carebear miners and collect their tears...scan them down. Thus I give you balance and a +1 to OP.

EDIT: Also why do Ice Miners benefit so well from it. They don't have to move systems like Incursion Communities for instance. They don't have to run the risk of Gatecamps on their way to the system (once they're there). Get them moving and increase the risk = reward but also give those that want to gank miners the chance to actually put in some effort rather than "Ice Miners Be Here" sign posting.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-07 14:21:52 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
those that want to gank miners the chance to actually put in some effort rather than "Ice Miners Be Here" sign posting.

dude you are giving the game away. They don't want people to spot that the only reason for the change is so they can hide from the nasty men more easily.

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#16 - 2013-10-07 14:35:46 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
those that want to gank miners the chance to actually put in some effort rather than "Ice Miners Be Here" sign posting.

dude you are giving the game away. They don't want people to spot that the only reason for the change is so they can hide from the nasty men more easily.


And why shouldn't they be able to? I could say the the only reason people oppose this is because they want those "easy no effort to find" ice miners KM and tears?

Now I'm not an Ice Miner but my suggestion is balanced:


  1. Involves the Ice Mining Community to move about (like the Incursion Community) going where the opportunity is
  2. Provide opportunities for ganking, gate camps, resource denial
  3. Encourages more people to Ice Mine if they happen to spot an Ice Signature in their system
  4. Encourages explorers to find those sites and work with the Ice Mining Community
  5. Encourages "PVPers" to get a scout with probes into their gangs to probe out the above
  6. Encourages interactive game play and an addition to Ice Mining Fleets e.g. the scouts\prober\recon
  7. Discourages repetition of the same fleets with the same ships in the same systems mining the same thing with the same risk and reward.


There are many other risks and rewards I haven't thought off but this is excellent for both carebears and pirates alike. you want it...you both work for it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#17 - 2013-10-07 14:50:29 UTC
I agree with this idea fully. At the moment, the second and ice belt appears floods of miners (many bots, I'm sure) suddenly appear and nuke it in no time. They then set their timers for 4 hours and move onto the next ice system. There's no skill in it, no luck, it's just a case of timing. I'd prefer ice belts to be random, so you get the same amount per faction space, but they can appear anywhere, even in a 1.0.
On top of that, ice belts should have a variable amount, so there are less in 1.0 systems than in 0.5 with a scale between them. The 4 hour respawn would still happen, but it would respawn at random across the faction space it's in.

This would mean hunting down ice fields, and promote a bit of healthy competition. It would also make it a nightmare logistically to run fleets of bots for ice mining, and anything that makes a botters life harder is a good thing.

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Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-10-07 19:34:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
This would mean hunting down ice fields, and promote a bit of healthy competition. It would also make it a nightmare logistically to run fleets of bots for ice mining, and anything that makes a botters life harder is a good thing.

actually it makes it a nightmare for players to run around and ice mine not bots. there are just 2 ways to stop a bot, either make it so its impossible for a bot to do it or check to see if there is bot code running. Since you'd have to have the current system where ice is listed somewhere then the bot could easily just look that up same as a human would so having them move around doesn't really stop any bots at all (esp if they already can warp to the correct sites in the same system). Ore is plentiful enough that I can simply look around until I find a system that isn't heavily mined and setup operations there...ice mining should be the same.
Charles 2nd Yvormes
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-10-07 19:42:08 UTC
would love seeing this change implemented to eve.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#20 - 2013-10-07 20:40:06 UTC
Omega Flames wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
This would mean hunting down ice fields, and promote a bit of healthy competition. It would also make it a nightmare logistically to run fleets of bots for ice mining, and anything that makes a botters life harder is a good thing.

actually it makes it a nightmare for players to run around and ice mine not bots. there are just 2 ways to stop a bot, either make it so its impossible for a bot to do it or check to see if there is bot code running. Since you'd have to have the current system where ice is listed somewhere then the bot could easily just look that up same as a human would so having them move around doesn't really stop any bots at all (esp if they already can warp to the correct sites in the same system). Ore is plentiful enough that I can simply look around until I find a system that isn't heavily mined and setup operations there...ice mining should be the same.

I don't think many botters would like to waste their time getting bots to aimlessly fly around looking for ice belts. they'd likely just move onto ore. As it is at the moment, botters can now to the second when ice is going to respawn and where. This is why you see floods of them arriving in the ice belts seconds after it spawns.

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