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[Rubicon] Command Ship Models

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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#361 - 2013-10-06 11:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lena Lazair
Rivr Luzade wrote:



Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?


Because the changes affect industry/production for these ships. This is CCP making sure the idea flies before committing an art team to new models. And since they've already stated that these CS WILL get new models eventually, I think the phased approach is perfectly fine.

Also, I approve of these changes!

And for everyone complaining that the Drake design is boring and uninspired... that's just because you've seen so many of them owing to their previous levels of overwhelming popularity. The Drake is a great looking ship.
Kane Fenris
NWP
#362 - 2013-10-06 12:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Fenris
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it.


they dont whine about the camo they whine about camo on a ship that now has already a camo skin.

your constantly twisting the facts in your favor



Lena Lazair wrote:

And for everyone complaining that the Drake design is boring and uninspired... that's just because you've seen so many of them owing to their previous levels of overwhelming popularity. The Drake is a great looking ship.



no it is a booring desing that there are many of em just worsens the situation. (although design i highly sujectiv there are some standards)

the drake COULD make an awesome design base for a command ship if there changes that are more major than some extra fins and bits.
but not in its t1.

if i had a wish from a fairy i'd wish for a supersized Corax command ship for the nighthawk i like the naga/corax/ferox way of caldari designs
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#363 - 2013-10-06 14:33:45 UTC
Lena Lazair wrote:
And for everyone complaining that the Drake design is boring and uninspired... that's just because you've seen so many of them owing to their previous levels of overwhelming popularity. The Drake is a great looking ship.


Nope, I've hated it since I first saw it, and that was many years ago. As a Caldari missile pilot, I was really put off having to use it as a stepping stone, and got out of it as soon as I could. It's just so bland and boring!

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#364 - 2013-10-06 14:42:55 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it.


Ill break it down slowly for you, then you might not get confused.

Yes, the Sleipnir currently does have a Boundless Creation space-Camo.
It however uses the Cyclone hull.

There is another Minmatar Battlecruiser hull, using the Hurricane model, with space-camo - its called Hurricane Fleet Issue.

Now they want to make the Sleipnir into a space-camo hull using the Hurricane base.

So put the HFI and proposed Sleipnir pics next to each other - are you still confused about the 'whines'?

To CCP,

The benchmark is Stabber - Stabber Fleet - Vagabond

Either aim and make the Hurricane - Hurricane Fleet - Sleipnir similarly unique and distinct, or please leave it as is.

We dont want a 30 second photoshop change shade job, thank you.
Menero Orti
OnixMedia Ltd.
#365 - 2013-10-06 16:45:14 UTC
Frankly that hurricane painjob looks far far worse... REALLY?! This was all those artists came up just a military camo?! At least this model looks a lot better then what you current have planned for that cane.

Hurricane Black/Light Blue
Cselle
Perkone
Caldari State
#366 - 2013-10-06 17:25:40 UTC
Menero Orti wrote:
Frankly that hurricane painjob looks far far worse... REALLY?! This was all those artists came up just a military camo?! At least this model looks a lot better then what you current have planned for that cane.

Hurricane Black/Light Blue


yeah, i do really like the ships with the black with silver trim & blue blinky lights theme.
Galen Draz
Legion of Fallen Soldiers
#367 - 2013-10-06 18:35:47 UTC
just terrible. another fruitcake boat for gallente... brutix hull had some balls but myrmidon... remember to wear a skirt when u fly
those Cool
A Man Divided
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2013-10-06 18:42:46 UTC
Lazy art direction.
sally Deninard
mss industry
#369 - 2013-10-06 19:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: sally Deninard
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Bruce Wolf
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2013-10-07 03:44:32 UTC
just as a for the record i also would like to vote that the black/silver/blue color scheme for minimatar (such as the broadsword, letto, and jag) is WAAAAAY better looking the the other t2 skin the camo looking one...just my opinion
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#371 - 2013-10-07 03:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Seolfor
The black with oh so minimal blue lights is already used on the Claymore.

Its a manufacturer thing - Core complexion hulls used to be storm-trooper white camo [not the star wars storm trooper, rather 3rd Reich storm trooper] - but have since become 90% black with minimal blue lights - Current Claymore.

While Thukker Mix used to be Rusting (greenish tinge) Bronze with yellow/red lights - which has since become space khaki camo with Red lights - Current Jaguar, Vagabond.

Then there is Boundless creation - which im now confused about. :)
Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
#372 - 2013-10-07 04:15:58 UTC
Drake is the only one that seems ok - but then, I hate the way the harb looks all the time. The myrm just seems pathetic, it's a LITTLE bit greyer... Woopdee doo. Hurricane also seems particularly lazy.

Of the rubicon potential changes though, this is the least likely to change. We are probably stuck with these changes.
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr
#373 - 2013-10-07 05:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Freyja Asynjur
Why can't we just have the best of the two worlds? I say, keep the current models for both the Sleipnir and Nighthawk, and swap the Absolution and Eos ones.

The Sleipnir and the Nighthawk (to a lesser degree) are icons. They did both have a lot of public exposure. Just think about the Sleipnir, it has been everywhere in solo & tournament videos for years.

On the other side of the CS spectrum, I bet 99% of the EVE players have never ever seen an Eos before the change — so no one will mind about the swap and actually everyone will be happy to get a T2 Myrm.

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vVPhaetonVv
vVHeliosVv
#374 - 2013-10-07 05:50:15 UTC
One thing i never understood - why a spaceship should have camouflage painting?! It`s so illogical - there`s no plants or sand or whatever in space that camouflage could be useful for. Couldn`t you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do something with this paint? At least make it look more "spacey", not like it just from vietnamese jungle or desert storm. It`s just silly.
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#375 - 2013-10-07 06:14:42 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
  • Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

    • How can you change the Sleipnir? The Cyclone model is probably more recognizable as a Sleipnir than it is as a Cyclone! This is just... ugh.

    If you have to change something, change the Claymore. No-one cares about the Claymore.
    Kane Fenris
    NWP
    #376 - 2013-10-07 06:20:55 UTC
    Freyja Asynjur wrote:
    Why can't we just have the best of the two worlds? I say, keep the current models for both the Sleipnir and Nighthawk, and swap the Absolution and Eos ones.

    The Sleipnir and the Nighthawk (to a lesser degree) are icons. They did both have a lot of public exposure. Just think about the Sleipnir, it has been everywhere in solo & tournament videos for years.

    On the other side of the CS spectrum, I bet 99% of the EVE players have never ever seen an Eos before the change — so no one will mind about the swap and actually everyone will be happy to get a T2 Myrm.



    yep that would make the most players happy....

    but its not consistent
    (and since ccp has discovered consistensy and think ist a weapon of mass satisfaction...)

    another idea would be to simply swap
    vulture model with nighthawk which would give us a black/gold blaster/rail drake which would be some kind off cool.
    and
    sleipnir model with claymore model which would give us a missile shooting black/blue hurricane which would be awesome too....

    it would be more consistent but not 100% ... so ccp will not do it i guess...
    Reaver Glitterstim
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #377 - 2013-10-07 06:46:12 UTC
    +1
    Been waiting for this for a long time. Along with this update, can we also get the "tier 2" battlecruisers into missions? (also need to fix mission battlecruiser HP and resists, they're far too low)

    I feel like the proposed Sleipnir skin looks too much like the Navy Hurricane, and both the Eos and the Sleipnir are a bit hard to tell apart from their tech 1 variant. I like the skins but I am also a strong believer that tech 2 should look distinctly tech 2.

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    OTMOROSOK
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #378 - 2013-10-07 06:58:04 UTC
    Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:

    > The plan is:
    > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger
    > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon
    > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake
    > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

    Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?

    Another question is: do You have a lot of money and time to spend and absolutely no ideas? Why do You think that players who pay there own money for playing EVE need to have 3 ships of the same design in each race? Why don't You make all the ships of the same design differing by just very long names? Why don't You spend a bit more time and create some really good looking design for command ships? May be You are lasy?

    I wanna tell You that You could be and should be much more creative.

    May be You do not know what to do and have a lot of free time to spend on nothing? Well I can tell You what could You do with all that time - create really new design!

    May be You are not designers but just coders and Your boss has told You: "We need new looks for those ships! I don't know why but I think we need them. Do it right now or you'd be fired!"? Would You be so kind and tell the name of that guy to us the players who are the clients and that means that we are paying the salary to You but not Your boss.

    By the way, in case You are the coder please fix the trouble with bumping in Blocade 4 (Blood raders) (carriers who jump in the mission are bumping at some invisible objects and can not warp out for a minute or 2). Another thing that You (developers) should fix is the bug with local: some players who are pluses are shown as neutrals and we (the players) need to update the local by using some tricks instead of palying EVE.

    Best regards,
    The player.
    DeMichael Crimson
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #379 - 2013-10-07 07:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
    OK, gonna post my 2 ISK worth of opinion.

    I remember a couple years ago CCP changed the graphics which I believe was V3 overhaul on all the ships and in the process had removed the wings from one of the Minmatar ships. I think it was the Vagabond.

    Anyway, those wings were a trademark image and the Playerbase was up in arms so much about it that CCP replaced the wings.

    In my opinion the ship progression for trademark image is Stabber - Vagabond - Sleipnir. Now you want to completely ditch the Sleipnir ship image?

    Please don't mess with the Sleipnir ship image. It's like an old Viking ship from the great north, striking terror into all those who view it.

    Don't you guys have other stuff you can work on, such as modular POS, ring mining, agent missions, etc. How about working on some Rogue Drone loot?

    What's next, you gonna turn the Rifter into a mini Stabber?



    DMC

    'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
    Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
    Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
    #380 - 2013-10-07 07:09:53 UTC
    OTMOROSOK wrote:
    Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:

    > The plan is:
    > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger
    > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon
    > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake
    > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

    Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?

    ..
    ..
    ..

    The player.


    As mentioned a lot of times already, they are not changing the names. They only said which skin/model that ship will become...
    Names are safe...

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -  Arthur C. Clarke