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Paying Concord to Gank Scammer

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Haulie Berry
#81 - 2013-10-03 19:31:42 UTC
How has this obvious troll thread not been locked?
Winchester Steele
#82 - 2013-10-03 22:05:28 UTC
My Dream wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
My Dream wrote:
and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers



We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread?


post with your main



Ummm.... Ok.. Here, posted with my main. Any more requests?

...

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#83 - 2013-10-04 03:22:32 UTC
My Dream wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
My Dream wrote:
in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off



What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge?

I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make.


makes me feel better than you


My Dream wrote:
and still the personal insults flow



From the mouths of babes.

Also, moral superiority based on legal actions in a game? I understand feeling superior for not breaking the ruled (i.e. cheating), but feeling morally superior for not castling?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#84 - 2013-10-04 04:10:45 UTC
You want a game mechanic (for which there already are) to beat up on scammers because it is 'risk free isk making'?

'Trading on the market' is on the phone and would like to talk to you.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#85 - 2013-10-04 04:33:02 UTC

Clearly the community has spoken and decided this is a terrible idea. It doesn't make you a bad person of course. I would like to address a few things.

Clearly the OP was scammed and is upset. No, no one checked your posts to research it as you suggest they do because that's just a waste of time. I suspect it was for more than 1b isk because of how upset you are that you created a forum thread about it and insist that there must be some way to get back at this person. Nevermind that Eve has ads that say "be the villain."

As many have posted, you have all sorts of remedies already available such as ganking them, hiring mercs, etc.

The bounty mechanic sounds nice but simply isn't used much for the bounty itself. Bounties claimed are mainly just nice bonuses for shooting at someone anyway. Take me, for instance. As most people know, I do not scam. My bounty is from tips from satisfied clients. I have never had anyone try to gank me for my bounty. Sure, I have lost ships, but those losses were from war, ganking illegal miners, or playing around in low and null. I undock regularly with my bounty, and it isn't an issue.

To give us a more complete picture, I'd like for the op to detail what exactly happened to him that made him so mad. We all know that he freely gave isk or assets to another party of his own choosing. But what was the context?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#86 - 2013-10-04 05:52:20 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
How has this obvious troll thread not been locked?



*Gasp*Troll on the Forums

Troll! on the forums

...Thought you ought to know... *Thud*

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Scoota 2
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-10-04 06:42:51 UTC
The biggest problem with your idea is that it has a high potential to create false positives.

In RL, if you came up with a solution to get rid of drug crime that had 90% success rate, and 10% of people that are falsely killed by police, it would be considered unacceptable. Every life is considered sacred, and thus the police have to hold that to the highest standard.

Although that analogy isn't 100% fitting to concord, the same theory holds true, especially when you look at it from ccp's point, a mechanic they make that creates false positives at all is a poorly designed mechanic, they don't want people rage quitting over a system they made that "got it wrong". In RL the police get it wrong, and people blame god, in eve ccp are pretty much the god's of eve.

So who is everyone going to blame in the end? How can people know the difference between right and wrong, it's like Russian roulette in space
Mag's
Azn Empire
#88 - 2013-10-04 07:53:20 UTC
My Dream wrote:
he should be punished because he has gained isk in an unethical way if the game is going to pride its self on being a realistic sandbox that does not equal chaoes . the planet earth is argueably just a massiive sandbox but it has rules of law to maintain peace and order try scamm on the planet earth as a business you ill get fined by a regulater or worse case thrown in jail .

you cant have it one way and not another if your going to create a game to be as realistic as possible . eve in many ways is pretty much a simulator you gotta have realistic punishment to for misbehavour and in any civilised society be it virtual scamming is a unethical act

its unbalanced that there is indeed tools to scam but none to protect yourself apart from your own keen eye
fairs fair the tools are there to scam wheres mine to get payback

Do you then have an issue with those that practice regicide in chess? After all, murder is very unethical and following your logic, you should be able to stop them winning.

But back to the point, you already have options. The main one being not to fall for them in the first place. All most every scam, relies upon the victim thinking they are going to make ISK. If you're so willing to rush into an investment without gaining enough information first, then that's your fault.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
My Dream
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-10-04 10:58:51 UTC
i really dont think any of you have grasped where im coming from

maybe my idea is not the best and thats fine to criticise put forward a better one and i will listen

i also have no problem with scams existing . i think i have made it clear i dont like them but whatever

the crutch of the problem is theres no way to get your own back against the said scammers thats truely effective they are like the untouchables of eve . no risk . lots of reward and that goes against everything i have believed up till now eve stands for .

it does not matter how much time invested to create a good scam takes . the fact there are no tools in game to effectivley hurt them back is BS

anyway im done with the thread i have failed to convince enough people that a risk free money maker is bad . i also have come to the conclusion that many are stealing money from noobs to fund there mains and those mains are members of alliances that most likely encourage it .

Eve is rotten to the core
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#90 - 2013-10-04 11:05:27 UTC
OP heres a little secret. Good scams are NOT risk free. the only scams that are close to risk free are the terrible ones that average 1 hit a month. If you got scammed by a Plex scam or something you deserved to lose
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-10-04 11:18:49 UTC
My Dream wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
How about you not fall for scams?



so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p


scamming is a darwinian device to purge eve of the idiots that fall for such obvious tricks and thus raise the calibre of eve players generally. It only makes isk as long as idiots exist. It is just a shame that evolution takes such a long time Sad

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
I Was There
Habemus
#92 - 2013-10-04 11:27:15 UTC
He didn't scam you. You just bought a plex in exchange for another plex and 540m. You legitimately signed a contract, that you didn't read through.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#93 - 2013-10-04 14:15:26 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:

Also, its a sandbox, hire a merc!


they will for sure have loads of success ganking a station scammer.

Eve in Stations however...
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-10-04 14:54:34 UTC
how does this even have 5 pages?

OP Read this please.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-10-04 14:57:31 UTC
embrel wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:

Also, its a sandbox, hire a merc!


they will for sure have loads of success ganking a station scammer.

Eve in Stations however...


For the creative...there is always a route to revenge. Whether it's worth the effort, however, is subjective.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#96 - 2013-10-04 16:51:22 UTC

Maybe if he found a legit isk doubler, he would be happier. I am happy to serve to restore his faith in Eve.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#97 - 2013-10-04 18:26:30 UTC
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#98 - 2013-10-04 18:49:04 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
There should be a system to report people who post terrible suggestions on the forums to CONCORD.

Which would then result in auto-ganking for a really long time.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-10-05 16:05:20 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
My Dream wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
How about you not fall for scams?



so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p


It's hardly risk free. It takes time and isk to cultivate scams. They don't always work out.



You failed to demonstrate it's not risk free.

You just said it takes time and isk which every activity in Eve requires so. Can you demonstrate how risky it is?

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-10-06 20:06:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
How has this obvious troll thread not been locked?



*Gasp*Troll on the Forums

Troll! on the forums

...Thought you ought to know... *Thud*



If only you were a nice looking blond babe I'd ask you to get all yer babies.

But yer not.

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