These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions (~450 billion ISK value)

First post First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#401 - 2013-10-05 17:44:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Maybe its just me but what is the problem?
Favouritism.
The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway.

In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all.

Maybe it was policy to give favorites things and try to hide it, what thennnnnn



what like when john turberfield was fired cheeting in summer 2012? wait what!?!?!? no one heard about that! or is it the group he was helping is the single largerest entity in the game and does not want people to know they are rotten cheaters!?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Script66
Solus Ventures
#402 - 2013-10-05 17:46:46 UTC
Honestly, my problem isn't the gift to a popular community organizer. I think it is completely okay frankly.


My problem is CCP did something they felt was wrong and would upset the community. By telling SOMER to not tell anyone, they are admitting "We shouldn't do this, its would to **** people off, but honestly, who cares, just don't tell anyone'.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#403 - 2013-10-05 17:48:33 UTC
Argus Sorn wrote:
Boycott SomerBLINK folks. Get your friends to do the same.

They are 50% of this problem, and at this point, through accepting these gifts, in the pocket of CCP. They do not deserve your 'business'.

They are not the problem. They are in business of making isk. So of course when they get offered even more isk, they say yes.
You will never see a casino saying "Please dont give us more money, we have enough".

Problem is CCP thinking that its a good idea to reward fan sites this way - secretly, and with items of significant ingame value. Well and their selection of whom to give prizes, but that is arguable point. Some say its not ethical to give rewards to gambling sites, some say other deserve it more. There is no real point in arguing this.

Rewarding fan sites is perfectly fine and logical, it serves the purpose - promote the game, advertise it, attract new players. Ishukone is a promotion ship, so giving him makes sense. What does not make sense is giving him in secret, without announcement. Promotion actually means publicity, advertisement. But how can you advertise something that you do not reveal?

In my imagination it should go like this: "Eve Radio is awesome service, we are giving them 5 ships for DJ's to use at their volition. Good Job guys! We need more Eve players like you! "

And this serves as example that a good service is being rewarded. But then again i would expect not one, or even two fan services to be rewarded like this, but most of them who are there for many years and doing great job. We have charities, media sites, tool developers, bloggers, etc. All of them should be rewarded equally. If you reward just one (and secretly at that) its favoritism, if you reward everyone who contributes, then its fair and all good.

P.S. I dont like boycotts and all that "ragequit" methodology, but i caught myself having doubts about going to fanfest2014 after these 2 incidents with CCP/Somer.

[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#404 - 2013-10-05 17:50:55 UTC
I support this thread, come join us rioting in Jita.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#405 - 2013-10-05 17:52:07 UTC
We are leaving this thread open to the discussion of the matter, but ask that you keep it on topic, and civil. Anything deviating from that will be met with an appropriate response. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#406 - 2013-10-05 17:55:17 UTC
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?

I am just going to finish this with Herpa derpa derp derp.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#407 - 2013-10-05 17:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
On topic and civil:

Please stop using logical fallacy to create conspiracies that purport to defend somer blink/ccp.

Instead use logic to examine the situation. Draw your own conclusions from evidence, or withhold judgement until an official response has been provided.

I think that sums up my (now deleted) effort-post nicely.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#408 - 2013-10-05 17:58:41 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?
No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.
Din Chao
#409 - 2013-10-05 18:02:04 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I am just going to finish this with Herpa derpa derp derp.

Not necessary, that's all anyone got from everything else you typed.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#410 - 2013-10-05 18:05:26 UTC
Since this is the official 'CCP/Somer Blink scandal' thread can we get it stickied perhaps?

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#411 - 2013-10-05 18:07:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?
No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.

All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time

they could be blinkin' and getting money

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#412 - 2013-10-05 18:10:02 UTC
Xaen posted in another thread that has been locked, so I move it here, to the official thread:

Dear CCP,

You have been scammed by Somer Blink. They are taking you for billions, if not trillions of ISK if you count the uniquely special and uniquely effective vouchsafing PR, that you already gave them for free. This is called favoritism. Just like when T20 gave BoB T2 BPOs, except worse, because you do not even realize you got scammed.

Let me reiterate: You already got scammed, and publicly announced that you're going to continue falling for it.

Since apparently half the EVE playerbase including CCP had either never heard of this particular scam, allow me to enlighten you:

http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions

I never made a big deal of it before because I simply assumed that most other EVE players realized it was a scam and just liked blowing ISK on it. I have never given them 0.01 ISK and never will because Somer Blink is just another EVE scam!

I, and every other player that knows a penny auction scam when they see it has been denied access to new ships. Yay, favoritism because CCP fell for a scam!

That was a super important paragraph sentence, so please read it again.

Let me reiterate, since CCP is apparently rather thick: CCP fell for an in game scam, and fell so hard that they planned to resurrect a part of in game history and give to them for their exclusive profit.

And since I refuse to become a SomerSucker™ I am effectively denied even the chance to get one of these ships because I am more scam resistant than CCP Navigator and the rest of the devs who are too gullible to figure out that Somer Blink is a just another penny auction scam with a couple of insignificant twists on it to further obscure the scam. To say nothing of the people who have been banned from Somer Blink, the result of which is CCP treating even more of their customers unfairly with respect to Somer Blink.

But it is still a scam.

The only way to fix this is to stop pimping Somer Blink revoke any special privileges that they scammed you out of, publicly admit Somer Blink is just another EVE scam, stop falling for it, and never use them again.

If you're thinking "Xaen cannot possibly be correct!" Read below, then read this post again. Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skulls that Somer Blink is just a penny auction scam, EVE style, that CCP fell for hook, line, and Golden Magnate.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

—Mark Twain

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#413 - 2013-10-05 18:11:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?
No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.


Mr. Assange is that you?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Drackarn
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#414 - 2013-10-05 18:12:35 UTC
SomerBLINK supports in-game events. Why? The same as AON sponsor Manchester United or the Bank of America sponsor the New England Patriots. To advertise, to get more customers and to make more PROFIT.

Lets look at some other deserving community sites...

The Angel Project by Sindel Pellion
Eve Travel and the Lore Guide by Mark726
Eveoganda by Rixx Jivix

Why do these SomerBLINK employees work for the this gambling webiste? For ISK! For a slice of the big profits it generates. So CCP grants them a 20bn ISK ship ON TOP of the ISK they receive for running the site?

If CCP had said, "look guys we are giving away these ships for people who do a lot for the community ad SB are the first" I'd have said OK, don't agree with the first awardee but whatever". But its the underhand way its been carried out.

Smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldrick's Apple Crumble!

http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#415 - 2013-10-05 18:13:04 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?
No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.

All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time

they could be blinkin' and getting money


indeed they dont work for lollypops right?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2013-10-05 18:14:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Trebor, do try to keep up. It is not the secrecy etc that is the main issue, bad as that is. It is the fact that CCP is favouring a player corp.

Josef, baby, I love your work, but do try to keep up. This is not news. CCP gives free stuff to individuals and groups all the time. The difference here is that it wasn't made public (like fansite support is, or the free accounts CSM members get), it went to a group that runs an explicitly for-profit business, there is an appearance of favoritism, and it is coupled with the ship giveaway furore.

Chribba wrote:
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*

We would have thought we were being trolled and would have immediately endorsed it as absolutely brilliant and showered it with effusive praise. Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#417 - 2013-10-05 18:16:21 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
10 bucks says mittenz got a bunch of vanity crap when he did burn jita and all those in game events...

but hey... cuss that was never leaked we will never hear about it...

and what about those duduers who do the competition league? you know the one in syndicate... i bet they got something too but kept shtum about it...

but thats ok right?
No. It should all be disclosed. Otherwise, it's just a waste of CCP's time.

All these threads and that article disclosing ~bad things~ are a waste of ccp's time

they could be blinkin' and getting money


indeed they dont work for lollypops right?


I do like lollipops. And blinking. I do it often, several times per minute. Keeps my eyes healthy.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#418 - 2013-10-05 18:16:54 UTC
Drackarn wrote:
SomerBLINK supports in-game events. Why? The same as AON sponsor Manchester United or the Bank of America sponsor the New England Patriots. To advertise, to get more customers and to make more PROFIT.

Lets look at some other deserving community sites...

The Angel Project by Sindel Pellion
Eve Travel and the Lore Guide by Mark726
Eveoganda by Rixx Jivix

Why do these SomerBLINK employees work for the this gambling webiste? For ISK! For a slice of the big profits it generates. So CCP grants them a 20bn ISK ship ON TOP of the ISK they receive for running the site?

If CCP had said, "look guys we are giving away these ships for people who do a lot for the community ad SB are the first" I'd have said OK, don't agree with the first awardee but whatever". But its the underhand way its been carried out.

Smells fishy, and I'm not talking about the contents of Baldrick's Apple Crumble!



people keep saying 20billion isk... as if that means anything... if ccp deems it that they want to give players vanity crap then that is thier prerogative... i mean they dont have to notify us every time they by two ply toilet peper instead of one ply...

the ship is a vanity skin. that is it... if you derps did not have the breakdown with the nex store you could by now get a scorp in fuchsia pink...

its just odd.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#419 - 2013-10-05 18:22:24 UTC
James Arget wrote:
/me facepalms

This is not what I was looking forward to dealing with tonight.


Like you can get anything done (CSM)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#420 - 2013-10-05 18:24:16 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Chribba wrote:
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*

We would have thought we were being trolled and would have immediately endorsed it as absolutely brilliant and showered it with effusive praise. Twisted

And then what happens when it appears on themittanidotcom

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?