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Balancing Feedback: Tier3 Battlecruisers

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Dr'MeTaL
Taranis Innovations
#601 - 2011-11-16 09:35:57 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:
back under your bridge troll. Go read some back story on EVE. Gallente and Caldari are from the same star system, and were at one point the same empire until the caldari expanded secretly and went to war for their independence. They both use rails, caldari favor rails as they favor range in general.

somebody should spank you with a wet torpedo.


oh im soo sry.. let me just go fit every ship according to back story. lets all just forget about arty abbadons, smartbomb battleships, nuet domi's and every other fit that doesnt go with the backstory.

and by the way. acording to the back story caldari is a military oriented race. which should make caldari ships best at combat. yet alot of them arnt. everyone knows rails suck which is why the rohk sucks. and the naga is gonna suck aswell if it remains a turret based ship.

caldari's primary weapon is missles. hybrids are the secondary. like minmatar's primary is projectile and missles secondary. yet you dont see alot of missle fit minmatar ships do you. the naga and rohk are tier 3 ships. and teir 3 ships should be able to use a full rack of racial primary weapons.
DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#602 - 2011-11-16 09:41:57 UTC
Fioda Skiza wrote:
All the Caldari players who will suddenly realize after the expansion that they did NOT get a new ship to fly..
I seriously think that you don't want that situation. Give them a decent torpedo boat before it's too late.



The Naga will be one of the most used BC's in fleet warfare. A damage bonus and Range bonus mixed with a fairly decent tank ? Prepare to see Naga Fleets just tearing apart a lot of gangs/fleets. Roll
Cerulean Ice
Royal Amarr Reclamation
#603 - 2011-11-16 09:46:27 UTC
So much hate on the naga... and just as much hate for missile chuckers...

The talos got its drone bay back, give the naga its torps. Even better, make the naga a torp/rail boat, not a torp/hybrid boat, that way only the talos gets the blasters, then everyone should be happy, no? Caldari get the choice between range and no range (and between guns and missiles, depending on where the SP is at), and Gallente again have the blaster boat of choice.

Or, ditch the naga and use a better looking design. Tuning forks are not effective weapons (unless my old band teacher has one...).

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dgastuffz
#604 - 2011-11-16 09:48:52 UTC
ok if you make the naga a turrent boat lets say make the Oracle a missile ship sounds fair to me Evil
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#605 - 2011-11-16 10:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Knight
Dr'MeTaL wrote:
Justin Cody wrote:
back under your bridge troll. Go read some back story on EVE. Gallente and Caldari are from the same star system, and were at one point the same empire until the caldari expanded secretly and went to war for their independence. They both use rails, caldari favor rails as they favor range in general.

somebody should spank you with a wet torpedo.


oh im soo sry.. let me just go fit every ship according to back story. lets all just forget about arty abbadons, smartbomb battleships, nuet domi's and every other fit that doesnt go with the backstory.

and by the way. acording to the back story caldari is a military oriented race. which should make caldari ships best at combat. yet alot of them arnt. everyone knows rails suck which is why the rohk sucks. and the naga is gonna suck aswell if it remains a turret based ship.

caldari's primary weapon is missles. hybrids are the secondary. like minmatar's primary is projectile and missles secondary. yet you dont see alot of missle fit minmatar ships do you. the naga and rohk are tier 3 ships. and teir 3 ships should be able to use a full rack of racial primary weapons.

you are so dumb

yeah cause naga would be awesome with a torp fit ... pls dont make us so much bs , torps are nearly useless in pvp

caldari primary weapons are missiles AND rails, for matar missiles are secondary they dont have another missile ship for every projectile ship , they use missiles for additional dmg not a separate ship made only for use of missiles, like caldari railships
-->their tier 3 ships uses their primary weapons aka rails

maybe even the dread should be able to fit rails with bonuses :P
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#606 - 2011-11-16 10:34:15 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Sam Bowein wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter...

No they don't.

Split weapons means a bonus for 2 different weapons, not some utility high slots… Otherwise the Raven is split weapons too maybe ?? Roll


Roll Split weapons has nothing to do with a bonus, and you obviously have no idea what a utility high slot is either.Roll


If the Hurricane is a split-weapon ship, which it isn't, then so is the Raven. And it's pretty stupid to call the Rifter a split ship when it's sitting next to the Merlin, a proper split ship.
Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
#607 - 2011-11-16 11:21:26 UTC
The Naga is a useful and interesting ship with the hybrid bonuses. Finally, the Caldari have a solid hybrid platform to fly. Apart from any PG/CPU tweaks, it is a viable and generally balanced ship.


Though, in order to cater to people who also want missiles on their ship, it may be a good idea to consider adding some (say 4) missile launcher hardpoints.




  • Add missile launcher hardpoints to the Naga.
  • Consider increasing slightly the Naga's Powergrid and CPU.
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#608 - 2011-11-16 11:39:25 UTC


If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots!

Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter! Twisted

I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat!

....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! Roll
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#609 - 2011-11-16 11:44:28 UTC
There is a reason you don't see torpedo ravens in pvp.

That is why the Naga would fail as a torpedo ship, and why it was GLARINGLY terrible on SISI.

Oh, its nobody's fault but your own that you ignored a race's other primary weapon system. You must have a great work ethic.

Too many here upset that they didn't get a ship that they would end up using. I remember the same hate when the Rokh was released.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#610 - 2011-11-16 11:47:48 UTC
Phantomania wrote:


If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots!

Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter! Twisted

I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat!

....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! Roll

Idiot. The Talos is armor tanked, the Naga is shield tanked. They have separate bonuses and are flown completely separately. You know nothing about hybrids if you think they are close just because they share the same ammunition.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Phantomania
Lonely Trek
#611 - 2011-11-16 12:08:06 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Phantomania wrote:


If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots!

Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter! Twisted

I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat!

....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! Roll

Idiot. The Talos is armor tanked, the Naga is shield tanked. They have separate bonuses and are flown completely separately. You know nothing about hybrids if you think they are close just because they share the same ammunition.



Haha, I knew YOU would have something to say about it, Vincent. You must live on this thread!

I know, you're milkin your panties at the prospect of 2 New Hybrid Boats! Lol

Oh, just wanted to say those Top Gun glasses really suit you, no, really! Lol
Yankunytjatjara
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#612 - 2011-11-16 13:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Yankunytjatjara
After sleeping on it, I confirm my thoughts: keep the 8 launchers and the fitting bonus, then the naga is cool.

All other caldari hybrid ships have a mixed weapons option, keep it on the naga too!

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#613 - 2011-11-16 13:40:37 UTC
Yankunytjatjara wrote:
After sleeping on it, I confirm my thoughts: keep the 8 launchers and the fitting bonus, then the naga is cool.

All other caldari hybrid ships have a mixed weapons option, keep it on the naga too!



My thoughts exactly, keep the hybrid bonuses, but add the launcher hardpoints to open versality.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#614 - 2011-11-16 13:58:59 UTC
Talos seems to have it's Drone bay back on sisi.

Just a little more CPU now please. Take it to 480 please.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#615 - 2011-11-16 15:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
Gypsio III wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Sam Bowein wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter...

No they don't.

Split weapons means a bonus for 2 different weapons, not some utility high slots… Otherwise the Raven is split weapons too maybe ?? Roll


Roll Split weapons has nothing to do with a bonus, and you obviously have no idea what a utility high slot is either.Roll


If the Hurricane is a split-weapon ship, which it isn't, then so is the Raven. And it's pretty stupid to call the Rifter a split ship when it's sitting next to the Merlin, a proper split ship.


Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please. No, smartbombs do not count.

What's that? You can't?

You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance...Roll
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#616 - 2011-11-16 15:53:38 UTC
dgastuffz wrote:
ok if you make the naga a turrent boat lets say make the Oracle a missile ship sounds fair to me Evil


i would be happy with this ;)

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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#617 - 2011-11-16 16:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Wylee Coyote wrote:


Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please. No, smartbombs do not count.

What's that? You can't?

You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance...Roll


But not unlike the Raven. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Raven is a split weapon ship? Lol

Oh and the Scorpion. And the Ferox. And the Moa. Etc...
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#618 - 2011-11-16 16:07:26 UTC
Let's look at the full tier of all 4 races BC's bonuses

Amarr

Prophecy: Capacitor Use / Armor Resist
Harbinger: Capactior Use / Laser Damage
Oracle : Capacitor Use / Laser Damage

Caldari

Ferox: Hybrid Range, Shield Resist
Drake: Missle Damage, Shield Resist
Naga: Hybrid Range, Hybrid Damage

Gallente:

Brutix: Hybrid Damage / Armor Rep bonus
Myrmidon: Drone Damage / Armor Rep
Talos: Hybrid Damage / Hybrid Tracking

Minmatar

Cyclone: Projectiles ROF / Shield Boost bonus
Hurricane: Projectile ROF / Projectile Damage
Tornado: Projectile ROF / Projectile Falloff


So Caldari have two BC with range bonuses geared toward railguns? Maybe the Naga isn't the problem. I fly the cyclone, brutix, and even the prophecy to great effect situationally... maybe the answer is to change the Ferox bonuses if they won't budge on the Naga?




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Packlid
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#619 - 2011-11-16 16:23:35 UTC
So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.

I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!??
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#620 - 2011-11-16 16:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
Gypsio III wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:


Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please. No, smartbombs do not count.

What's that? You can't?

You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance...Roll


But not unlike the Raven. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Raven is a split weapon ship? Lol

Oh and the Scorpion. And the Ferox. And the Moa. Etc...


Wylee Coyote wrote:
The highs are split between two different weapon systems


You are confusing whether the ship a split weapon systems ship with whether the both the ship's weapons systems are or even should be used.