Issues, Workarounds & Localization

you need to get over the idea that you are "losing" anything, you can''t lose what you don't have in the first place. when you see a site has x isk you should be automatically thinking that in reality it has x*0.8 isk, or whatever your pickup rate.

this is how i did invention, you don't "lose" the failure invents, they simply average out over time and present their true cost when you take the expected value rather than the absolute value.

the spew at the moment actually discourages grouping ok. say there is 1 litre water coming out of a tap and you have a 800ml jug to catch it, you can only ever catch 800ml. if you bring another person and have 2 800ml jugs, and catch half the water each, you now have only 500ml of water each. a 3rd jug would mean only 333.33ml each

800ml solo
500ml 2 people
333ml 3 people

the more people the worse it gets. and that's without counting costs/risks like, being betrayed by partner, getting ganked etc.

the way to encourage grouping is synergy. the outcome must be more than the sum of the parts. you must be able to get >800ml out of the tap EACH if teaming up, and scale it up the more people come.

Wrong (you lose inputs like time and potential earnings)



Right

thejoke

I think the Odyssey changes have actually removed any need for teamwork in exploration. With another char I use to play, I was only skilled for a cov ops frigate and would scan radar sites in low sec which had rats. My Helios could not deal with them, and a couple corp mates would provide the muscle. I would then hack the site and we would split the profit.
Now, there's no rats. And you don't need anyone to help with the cans once you learn which ones are the best to get. Hover your mouse cursor over the cans to find their type and grab the ones you want. As some have mentioned, the freight scanner is also a help. What? Some of you people want all the cans? Cause you just gotta have that carbon and all the metal scraps?
And the OP is right, 10 mil is 10 mil no matter how many are with you. And no, as one suggested, another player won't halve the time spent and 2x the profit. One person scans. No time savings. Both have to fly to the site. No time savings. One hacks the minigame. No time savings. A second person can save you, oh, 15 seconds getting all the cans, and you get.....all the carbon and
metal scraps your little heart desires.
The other night I flew through about 18 nul sec systems and before that some low sec. I found lots of wormholes and a few combat sites. I was in my Anathema solo. Many are doing the sites and there aren't enough for everyone. CCP made a mistake making everything easier. But, I think they were on the right road with some kind of minigame. And perhaps give us back some of the old radar site types. Also, learn to love the can spew. It's just part of the challenge with learning to pick the right cans which can be done. We also should have more varied loot and perhaps it could be a little more lucrative with some more spawns. I don't expect juicy finds all the time, but when I risk my ship solo through 18 nul systems risking bubbles and gate camps, I want.....something!