Issues, Workarounds & Localization

Maybe people should start listening to the new tune, then? Especially since……this is not a problem if you do it as a group. Granted, it's not actually a problem at all if you do it right, but if it were, grouping up would solve it.


The awful term “town bicycle” comes to mind when it comes to describing how many men had gone there before under the old system. At least with the new one, there's something to explore and decisions to be made on what path to pursue…

Yeah let's group up to earn 10M ISK per site divided into two shares.

No. Let's group up to earn 20M ISK per site divided into two shares, rather than 10M ISK divided into one. It's not particularly hard to understand.

The decryptors are at least two to three times more common per site and more people are running the sites.

And Tippia, you don't understand: the best you can get at a site (barring an exceedingly rare POS BPC) is a little over 10M, assuming you don't lose any loot. There's no extra 10M in there to split with another person.

Running it with 2 people does not magically make the site contain more value than it initially did.

…which no-one has suggested. Again, you're only choosing to ignore the context.

If you don't get how adding a person means you don't miss out on half the valuables any more, then I can't really help you. At most, I can suggest medication and/or counselling; maybe some light teaching if the affliction is of a less advanced nature.

there's no reason for it to encourage grouping at the moment

1. you don't get 50% isk per site, more like 80-90% because you look scan the cans and look up loot table. taking another person along means that rather than getting most of the good loot you now only get half of the good loot (if partner also looks up loot table, grouping means losing money )
2. two people are better flying in opposite directions and scanning twice the ground to find sites, and spreading the risk of getting ganked, gatecamped etc., than both following the same route and one waiting (booooring) for the other to scan
3. you gotta wait (booooring) for someone in corp to come online who wants to explore, or team up with a stranger who prob got guns and scram fitting to the heron

so all spew does is irritate

I think you should get counseling for your "someone is wrong on the internet" mentality that compels you to litter so many threads in GD with your worthless opinions that things are a certain way and not another until people grow tired of replying to your inane drivel supplied with a holier-than-thou attitude.

If all you do is data sites, you'll probably be struggling more to profit from exploration. There's really no reason to stick to only one kind of site. And frankly, you'll get a more steady income from relic sites anyway.

Data sites used to be better because the value of decryptors was higher. It's not anymore. Really, at a data site, you're really cruising for BPCs. That's the only real money there. The main trick to data sites is to cargo scan and, if there is no BPC, just loot all the Parts cans that come out. Skip the Materials cans. Only choose Data cans if there's a worthwhile BPC. In this way, data sites are much easier than relics - you don't lose anything to the spew, really. But they are less profitable overall.

At relic sites, though, you get tons of stuff from each site can. Too much for one player to grab. And it is often awkwardly split between Parts and Materials cans. You can still get good value from the site solo, but you will noticeably lose some valuable loot. This is the only situation you could bring a friend and really benefit, but you don't need to to make good money.

I do see small 2 and 3 man teams in null relic sites for this reason. Everywhere else is solo frigates which are easily capable of turning a profit. And of course, exploration is not an isk/hour thing - you want regular, solid income measured by time, you need to think about mining or missions.

RIP in peace, thread.