Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah, sorry. Completely skipped over rigs, my bad.

How about that selective reading? He mentions half a dozen pve activities and one pvp.... but suddenly the ship is pvp oriented! C'mon now.

This. The Stratios is a NEW, DIFFERENT role. People seem to be blind to that idea. Stop trying to fit a round peg in a square hole and move on.

Well, to be realistic the design is to use weapons which will last the longest on an extended trip without having to resupply. Mission accomplished. But of course since it has a covert cloak people are going to use it as you stated, but that wasn't the SOE engineers goal. Of course he realizes this, but doesn't give a flip what YOUR intent is and stuck with lasers.

Covops cloak is a way bigger deal than "resists." Also I don't care what "role" anyone thinks it should have, this is a stupid cloaky solopwnmobile that kills basically anything that's not aligned and up to speed when you uncloak on them. This does substantially more DPS than a covops Proteus, has 53.33 cap/sec neuting that the Proteus doesn't have, and doesn't have to be within 3km to deal its damage.

Also, good luck getting 4 medium neuts, a 1600mm plate, and an AB on an Ishtar. I think you need 3 grid mods for that? On a ship that has two less slots than the Stratios to begin with?

My take on the

Stratios

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Energy Turret damage
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
5% bonus to Drone hitpoints, optimal, tracking and damage

Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 6L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers (5/5/5 to 4/4/6)
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1950 / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 400(-100)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550

1. Covops frigs have specific bonuses for relic and data, but cannot fight. It makes sense that the Stratios will have lower explo stats since it has so much pve combat potential. Otherwise it would have been overpowered and taken on the covop frig role as well. This has been covered at least 7 times so far in the thread, please pay attention.

2. Your implication that it sucks at the non combat parts of exploration was debunked in point 1. I am glad you agree it excells at combat epxloration which was my point all along.

3. You see the things you want to see in the presented information. Selective reading. If I were you I would have said "well the covops is there, so that explorer would move between sites freely and generally be able to move free around low/null". Which, unlike you, I am not saying since it would be twisting the facts. The cloak can be used for both pve and pvp, but since the intended purpose of the ship is for pve combat exploration that doesn't tip the scales at all.

It's good at pve combat and can be used for pvp, but it is bonused for exploration, so pve is its main objective. Twist it as much as you like, it won't change the ship stats :)



Oh yeah? Joke's on you, Dense Veldpsar has 10% more ore than regular Veldspar.

Reapers don't have Doomsdays and an Ishtar will eat the SOE cruiser alive if it dares to decloak in the same system.

I know that this Revelation must be shocking to you, but maybe *headdesking* and *facepalming* for a few more years will kill enough of the stupidocytes in your head to leave enough space allowing eventual growth of something akin to an actual brain.

#1. Cov ops frigs do not need to fight. They removed rats for data and relic sites everywhere but wormholes. As a result, if you are going to do those sites, you need that +10 virus strength. This ship doesn't have it, so unless you are going to blow the price of a faction ship on highsec hacking sites, it may as well not even have the bonus in the first place. +10 is the gold standard, have it or go home.

#2, uh, what? It does suck at non combat exploration, unequivocally. Again, unless you think highsec hacking sites actually count, this point cannot be disputed, and certainly not by sticking your fingers in your ears and humming so you can't hear me.

#3 No, I saw the use I want out of it. I want to use it to sneak up on people and kill them. That's what a cov ops cloak is for. Defense is obtained by actually checking D-scan for other people's probes. Cov ops cloak is an offensively minded module.

You can blather on about "bonused for exploration so you aren't allowed to call it a pvp ship" as much as you want, you're still wrong. (further, I can call it what I want. What you want does not matter to me in any sense of the word)

Of all the bonuses it can actually use, it's bonused for probes, armor resists, and drones. Like I said, the +5 virus might as well not be there.

Nothing about armor, drones and probes screams "pve ship". Especially not when it has a cloak.

You realize the only reason this can effectively run 6 of 10s is 5 bonused sentry drones?

The whole point of this ship is DRONES. Ishtar is drones, Vexor and Vexor Navy are drones, and those deal much more DPS than this. I don't see the problem here.