Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Flying a ship that would cost 300M to 400M with just about twice the tank of an Assault Frigate and a third of the speed - not sure how many people would want to do that.

Sure, you could, but there's not much you could effectively engage. Which is sort of the point to restricting to the fit I posted - these won't be the solopwnmobiles with a max-gank fit. Cut the shield buffer in half, and you're pretty much set.

Well, first you would need to demonstrate why any of those things are a problem. Aside from "I don't want it to be a pvp ship", you really have no argument.

Every ship in EVE is a PvP ship, as far as principle is concerned. So if it ends up being useful for PvP, it's TS for you guys (not to mention everyone I meet after this hits live).

I said it before, but I am pretty sure the reason the devs claim it can do 6/10s doesn't have anything to do with the turrets on this ship. Every last bit of that is from being able to field 5 bonused Sentry Drones. 4 turrets worth of unbonused lasers at 20km or so is almost not even contributing as far as doing DED sites.

So, let's deal with your points one at a time.

"OP neutron fits". First of all, they aren't OP. It's about the DPS you would expect given it's bandwidth and fittings. It does what it's designed to do, melt stuff at very short range. If it weren't a cloak ship, it wouldn't be in consideration of being overpowered any more than the Thorax or the Myrmidon are.

"Exploration, not PvP". Yeah, gotta call TS on you for this. It works the way it works, and honestly aside from the OP using the word "laser" in the post, it wouldn't even have been in consideration. Lasers do nothing for either version of the cruiser being designed for "exploration". Adding a greater focus on lasers doesn't help it do data or relic sites any better, and it only makes doing DED sites harder. It does nothing, and there is no reason for it whatsoever.

"Longer range drones viable" They already were. It has enough bandwidth to drop 5 sentries. Doesn't get more long range than that.

"Speed tanking/kiting" Not even remotely possibly in this ship, lasers or otherwise. This thing is slower than hell.

So none of your rationale for adding greater focus on lasers is really valid. Not only do I sincerely hope they won't listen to you, I don't find it likely either.

(Hint, they won't change turrets this late in the process, as it looks like the model is already made. Once the art department makes up their minds, it's done)

The joke was that the fit he posted had two webs and a scram. The ogres would be able to shred anything he caught because it wouldn't be moving.

People would still point out that its only theoretical dps because the Ogres "wouldn't" be able to catch/track the ship moving at sub 100m/s.

Again. Just like ABCs made most other sniping ships obsolete, these ships are stepping on the toes of a hell of a lot of other ships. You seriously dont see anything wrong with a 5/5/5 slot layout cruiser able to use a covert cloak and put out a shitload of heay drone dps? Heavy drones are brutal if you can get on top of someone with them. This ship wont have troubles doing that.

Why do we need this in game?

Why not tweak existing ships to fit exploration roles better? They still have ton of rebalancing to do.

These things just arent needed.

You obviously dont understand how eve players are. Any slight advantage, anything that can be exploited to give someone anedge, will be taken. Price is not a consideration for balance. Why would people NOT use this for pvp? Covert cloak, 800+ drone dps which WILL be applied. Screw eft numbers. Look at the damn slot layout and use your imagination. You'll be able to shut people down with this thing.

People have used haulers to pvp in before. They suck. This ship will be abused hard.

Oh, it's definitely a solopwnmobile, just don't put guns on it.

1600mm Steel Plates II
2x EANM II
2x DDA II

AB II
Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Web
Fleeting Web/Balmer TD
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

4x Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator
Covops Cloak

ACR II
2x Trimark II

Fits easily on CPU, 1343/1322.5 PG so you need Genolution implants or a PG implant. It's cap stable (while you have charges, obv) with Genolution CA-1 and CA-2 and strong mindflood, none of mindflood's drawbacks apply to you at all. If you want to use slaves use a RT plate and you don't need fitting implants.

700 DPS and 53.33 cap/sec neuting. A Maller has 44k EHP with this fit, Stratios will be very close to that. Why does the Pilgrim exist again, exactly?

You presume I was trying to be. From the outset of the announcement of this ship, I have predicted it's use for ganking, and stated my intentions for using it thusly.

And I'd question your objectivity as well, given your semi obvious attempt to try and crowd out the fact that this ship is actually intended to do something besides hack cans and shoot at red crosses.



Which is an outright falsehood. So, either you were deliberately lying, or in some way you failed to properly read through the announcement. Neither reflects well upon you.

It's a pvp ship. At least, the way I intend to use it certainly is. Interestingly enough, as far as quite a few types of exploration are concerned, it's more of a pvp ship than it is otherwise. The mere +5 virus strength pretty much invalidates it's use in nullsec (and lowsec unless you have pretty good skills for it).

So, whatever else the devs might say, it's good at 2 things: Doing DED sites with drones, and ganking people. I plan to use it for one of those. You and yours, on the other hand, want to stomp your proverbial feet, kick up a fuss, and try to take that toy from other people. You don't see me advocating to have it's ability to do DED sites nerfed, have you?

Live and let live, as far as playstyles go.

Well, yes I did, since that's how people should approach a subject under debate.



It is not a pvp ship. The CCP statement you cited clearly shows that. You might want it to be and you may use it any way you wish, that's your right, but don't try to change the facts.

NOT a pvp ship.

None of those ships can use a covert cloak and land on top of their target to drop their heavies.

Its whatever I want it to be. And yeah, rise saying to use it to gank anom runners? Hes saying that too. This is like saying stealth bombers are pure pve ships because people use them to run missions for fw.