Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Confirming. It's called adapting, there, Skippy. I can agree that the ranges on these EAFs could do with a bit of lowering (Half their range bonuses that have been suggested and play with it from there), but other than that, yes. Run away, regroup and come up with a plan to deal with ships like this. Or you could always run away as you suggested. Isn't that what you do to griffins already?

They are all great, but...

25/50 drone bandwidth/bay on the Sentinel perhaps? wink wink-nudge nudge

Keres with 5/10 bandwidth/bay? Seriously? That's just sad, useless and embarrasing....either buff it properly or remove it completely!

The more I look the more I get convinced that CCP shoudl stop mixign WEB and paitner bonuses. Because 95% of time people will dropt he painter to put and extra web. THe paitner is naturally much weaker e-war than any other.


That basically means hyena has only 1 bonus (since the 3% signature bonus is somethign that coudl be very well in the hull initial value and probably already accounted by not giving hyean same signature as it would have otherwise).

So Hyena is a ship with 1 very strong bonus and 3 fake bonuses.

I do nto knwo hwo to fix it. But Target painters mixed with webs are not gonna win much place.

To fight Griffins as they are now, you need to just exceed their lock range, or just shoot them.

You're confusing the two terms running away and staying on the field. Running away means literally not fighting, and leaving the field. Any self respecting gang that doesn't bring Hyenas to the field will be ********, they will be everywhere, and there will be more than one at all times.

So I guess you can't do any solo work on the field vs another gang, yeah ok, that sounds like fun and emergent game-play.

If you're soloing in a light , relative short-ranged ship, the situation is no different to a Rapier arriving on grid at range. Presumably you have some method of dealing with that rather than just crying on the forums?

If you're in gang, then just kill it or damp it. Rail Deimos, for a start.

Hmm, FW plexes are going to get messy now and lml talwars are now the only viable ship to engage these things with if you are solo (but good luck getting and holding a point.

That said at least they are now viable I guess, although I didn't think range buffs would have been the thing that CCP did to them...

I think the Sentinel is the most balanced of them all, to apply it's main FU ewar it got to be in the fight and in danger, the rest look to be pretty op in skilled hands and can apply their ewar outside of normal frig combat range.

I like all the 'Hyena is OP!' arguments that include faction webs and Skirmish links.

These are going to kerb stomp small gang pvp.

Right now going to mess with test or goons or some other some other null entity that has allot of younger players generally goes like this:

Go to whatever staging system they are in with a couple of cynas/vagas and a recon or 2, mess around a little on the undock killing some fools and wait for them to forum up a gang to come kills us. When they undock kite off a bit and kill the swarm of tackle frigs and hopefully a couple of their hacs or whatever that burn off there group to far. At some point they will have just to many and you have to leave. We get some kills and they usually get a kill or 2 of some shiney ships from people that ****** up, everyone has some fun.

With these changes the younger dudes in rifters will now become a swarm of 4-5kms ships with tiny sigs and 60km points and webs that will be able to lock everyone down instantly, so why would we even go there for that fight? So no one gets any fun.

Also why the hell would anyone fly an inty over these? It sure aint for bubble immunity, your pretty much obsoleting a whole other class of ship with these OP monsters.

i have to agree with those saying the ranges are overly buffed .. its the wrong approach entirely here..
people want EAF's too have more survivability and some combat capability more akin to mini combat recons rather than reflect the e-war ranges of recons which are already OP to begin with... along with a useful role bonus.

Bottom line webs and points on Recons are OP and need a nerf .. not buff EAF so they are equally OP.. stop nerfing small gang
think what you did to the bellicose and arbitrator in making them useful combat ships and the look at my suggestions of possible bonuses and ships stats and then you might be going in the right direction.