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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-02 02:30:01 UTC
Has anyone tried a vexor or thorax with 200mm's yet. I don't see all the wine threads about them being op. I haven't put one together yet so maybe its just cause ccp actually balanced them well?
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-02 04:28:09 UTC
Just a guess, but I doubt they have been flown that much yet. The 200 rail thorax puts out good dps and fits a decent tank, but I havent used it for anything other thank plinking yet. (its possible to fit 250s without too much trouble, fyi). I did use a 200mm ENI last night and it did pretty well - when I wasnt kiting out of range - because I failed kiting class. We will see how they do.

As an aside, the 250mm Brutix puts out between 550-700ish deeps, depending on ammo/drones. So ... yeah.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#3 - 2013-10-02 12:58:50 UTC
The 200mm Thorax is a blast. It sports great speed and the tracking bonus really helps with damage application. I'm still experimenting with fits, so I don't have a definite one to post, but I'll mess around a bit more and possibly update this.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-10-02 13:10:44 UTC
Hrett wrote:


As an aside, the 250mm Brutix puts out between 550-700ish deeps, depending on ammo/drones. So ... yeah.
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-02 13:28:48 UTC
They active tank nicely while kiting. Can try unorthodox stuff like target paint while at it to apply rail dps better. Anything minmatar foolish enough to approach gets decimated :)
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-02 18:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
why settle for 200mm and thorax when you can have better damage projection, more speed and more tank than Talos?


[Deimos, rails]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Hammerhead II x5



OR this:


[Brutix, rails]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5



more dps (850 actually) and EHP but extremely slow and couldnt kite anything. EHP is still kinda low. i prefer the deimos due to 2.1km/s speed and the new HAC bonus. very tanky. this is your "kiter".

you can also try the navy issue brutix for more EHP (80k!) and much better tracking. anyone know if tracking speed of 0.03 is enough to hit other cruisers?
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2013-10-02 19:44:39 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:

you can also try the navy issue brutix for more EHP (80k!) and much better tracking. anyone know if tracking speed of 0.03 is enough to hit other cruisers?


I'm glad you mentioned that. The tracking is rather low, and if you orbit in the 'Rax or Deimos your applied damage will go to ****. You have to keep at range. Also, despite the lower range and paper DPS I find I prefer the 200's due to the higher tracking and the range is just fine with them, at least so long as you're the one pointing your target.

So you'll probably have to 'keep at range' in order to have any applied damage.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-10-02 19:48:13 UTC
all the more reason to pimp out a navy brutix =) or go for the shield Diemos which can actually kite well.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#9 - 2013-10-02 19:53:32 UTC
But the whole point of this thread was moreso towards active armour kiters. While I love your fits, you kind of defeated the point of the discussion.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-02 20:40:56 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
But the whole point of this thread was moreso towards active armour kiters. While I love your fits, you kind of defeated the point of the discussion.


Not really. I use both armor and shield fits on my blaster Gal cruisers now. I don't see why I wouldn't use a shield buffer on a rail fit. I sure as hell won't be trying to kite with a 1600mm plate on. As for the deimos, I am spec'd for it but I have a hard time justifying paying so much for something that I am sure to Leroy.

Since we are on the subject of sheild tanks though....ASB?
Perhaps a dual LASB rail moa?

There. Now we are fully derailed (pun intended) Its Ok. It's my thread.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-02 22:10:18 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
But the whole point of this thread was moreso towards active armour kiters. While I love your fits, you kind of defeated the point of the discussion.



Not really since the best armor kitting/sniping/ganking ships are shield fitted for a reason.

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Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-03 16:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Yabba Addict
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
But the whole point of this thread was moreso towards active armour kiters. While I love your fits, you kind of defeated the point of the discussion.



Not really since the best armor kitting/sniping/ganking ships are shield fitted for a reason.


Not really any reason to not go active armour over shield as long as you stay away from resist rigs, in fact armour takes advantage of the mwd bloom bonus far better than shield.

[Deimos, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Tracking Computer II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Hammerhead II x5


This trades a couple of km off of optimal compared to the shield fit, but ends up with way more ehp by the time the rep runs out of fuel, goes the same speed but with a sig of 475 compared to 737, has similar cap and identical dps.


EDIT: Just realized the last 3 posts started with 'not really'. God, we're a quarrelsome bunch, are we not? Lol
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#13 - 2013-10-03 20:23:11 UTC
Yabba Addict wrote:
[quote=Sergeant Acht Scultz]EDIT: Just realized the last 3 posts started with 'not really'. God, we're a quarrelsome bunch, are we not? Lol


Not really.

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