Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well, they couldnt have a heated debate...they would be coming unarmed.
i love a good debate. you bring up good points, bring out your argument, i will do the same. let me see where you stand.
lets come to an agreement thats beneficial to all. but throwing names or posting without being informed or only seeing one small side is lame.

i have apologized several times on these forums for being uninformed or making assumptions.
nikk does have some weird ideas at times, but bad azz ideas other times. but i respect folks who bring it here, put up a good debate/argument and keep it here reguardless the out come.

WOW is that way --->
Remember to biomass your characters as well.

god damn why is this thread seven pages

people like you are literally what's killing this game

Can we please keep the name calling and derisory comments on other peoples play style out if this. You can justify your ideas without such things.

Also it still remains against the rules to post personal mail here. You're not helping your stance by doing any of these things.

what im looking for is not just a limited engagement between the 2 parties, i want it to anyone can shoot. what good is having a limited engagement between a hauler and a scanning ship?

i think anyone should be able to engage, but no concord interference.

i will setup a corp or fleet around every main gate on a trade route or outside every main station.

you go flashy from scanning ANYONE, i will pop ya.

not just between the 2 people.

what ever you wanna call it, thats the desired effect i seek.
i will build a corp around hunting these people down. will make it more costly to leave folks alone.

this guy gets it. we dont want less ganks, we just want the scanner ship concorded along with the rest of the ganking team. all you NPC corp carebears (haulers and gankers) have totally missed the point of the OP. we dont want high sec safer, and we dont want ganking to be easier. we just want all members of a ganking team to be treated equally. if that extra 500k totally throws your ganking profitability out the window then you are doing it wrong and suck at high sec ganks.

just a side note for the "gtfo and play wow" guy:

idk if you've ever played wow but i did back in highschool ('05 or so?) so i can clear up some confusion. on PVP servers in WoW there is no place on the map that you can avoid being jumped and ganked. you dont get to "scan" someones items for free, or have the benefit of being "a grey". In wow, if i see you, you are gonna die. simple as that. its actually less carebearish then how many people play EvE. I was the World PvP commander for my guild and i can attest that many, many, folks learned the hard way that by signing into Azeroth youve agreed to get ganked at any moment, at any time, by anyone that feels like it. so although its fun and easy to say "go play wow, carebear" its not really that much of a carebears game if your on a PvP server. and mind you there are no aggression timers in wow, no police to save the newbs, and no "docking up". quite frankly, i think many eve players (especially mission runners) would rage quite a PvP server on WoW faster than a nerd goes through mountain dew and funions.

and now you know.

After giving it a bit of thought, I like this idea. Another bonus this has is that it makes it a bit easier for high sec pvpers to get suspect flagged faster than before, at a cost to fitting, but faster.

Wrong and this hasn't worked for some time now. Not even the good old double wrap as AFAIK. Also they removed the immunity from the Orca so you can't transport anything now without a Cargo Scanner being able to see it, not the SMA, Fleet Hanger, Ore Hold anything. The only thing you can do is run in a Blockade Runner with crap cargo hold capacity and that doesn't even need the immunity due to it being cloakable.

I dont see cargo or ship scanning as an act that needs to be given any kind of timer. You are not and have not committed a crime. What I do have an issue with is that a Cargo Scan is a pretty serious scan that should not be able to be done passively. Scanning cargo through both hull and armor should be detectable. There should be some kind of alarm tone to notify you that you have been scanned. Once the scanner has been identified, its time to bookmark him as a potential ganker, and if you are carrying valuable cargo and you see him or her in system, it might be time to dock up till they leave.

Dock up you say....interesting. Now tell me how you would get anything in any trade hubs in EVE if every hauler was docking up when they spotted a ganker? Please read the whole thread and then post a suitable answer to the OP.

EDIT:

Now I agree with the "Scanning cargo through both hull and armor should be detectable. There should be some kind of alarm tone to notify you that you have been scanned" and it should go further. I refer to the "intent to steal" and "popping the lorry doors" analogy that has been made several times in previous posts.

EDIT 2: While it's not the ganking that this thread is against (that shizz gonna happen) it's the lack of consequences for the person scanning and then tipping of the gankers.