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Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-01 00:32:11 UTC
A quick question on this type wormhole:
I've been searching for one of these for a little more than a week now. But everyone I find is taken, like 2-3+ tower taken!
What's the realistic odds of me "lucking" into an empty one?
Are they just THAT popular?
I've toyed with doing a low sec c2, but were a small corp and I'm afraid we may not be able to handle the logistics of it. Is there a huge difference in daytrippers (overall) or is it minor?
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#2 - 2013-10-01 00:41:33 UTC
Whitelightrr wrote:
A quick question on this type wormhole:
I've been searching for one of these for a little more than a week now. But everyone I find is taken, like 2-3+ tower taken!
What's the realistic odds of me "lucking" into an empty one?
Are they just THAT popular?
I've toyed with doing a low sec c2, but were a small corp and I'm afraid we may not be able to handle the logistics of it. Is there a huge difference in daytrippers (overall) or is it minor?



If you want it then other want it as well. And tbh just go with a c2-c2 lowsec the logistics arent hard at all. Just make sure everyone knows the MWD cloak trick and you can get any ship past a gatecamp. Even BS and industrials can do this. On indys you need a 10mn MWD though so you have to make some sacrifices with cargo/Powergrid.

Also do you realise the sillyness of wanting to live in 0.0 and not thinking you can deal with lowsec?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-01 01:01:04 UTC
Most corps in Eve are small. C2 c2/hisec statics are easily farmed by small groups. So slim and yes are the answers to your first two questions.

Daytrippers from your hisec are only a problem if you warp to the hisec to activate it. Roll your hisec to get a new one, don't warp to it and then run your sites. You're still not safe, but at least safeish.

There is a wormhole sales service. I don't have the link handy, but google "eve wormhole sales." Your chances of finding one listed are better than stumbling on one bby yourself.

Or you can do waht we did. Found a system we lliked. Ninja tower in while residents are offline. Online dickstar and wait to see what their response is. Luckily for us, we made new friends. It could have been that they muster a fleet to take down our tower, but the killboard said that was unlikely. If they had done that, it would have been lots of fun anyway.

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Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-10-01 01:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitelightrr
Icarus Able wrote:
Whitelightrr wrote:
A quick question on this type wormhole:
I've been searching for one of these for a little more than a week now. But everyone I find is taken, like 2-3+ tower taken!
What's the realistic odds of me "lucking" into an empty one?
Are they just THAT popular?
I've toyed with doing a low sec c2, but were a small corp and I'm afraid we may not be able to handle the logistics of it. Is there a huge difference in daytrippers (overall) or is it minor?



If you want it then other want it as well. And tbh just go with a c2-c2 lowsec the logistics arent hard at all. Just make sure everyone knows the MWD cloak trick and you can get any ship past a gatecamp. Even BS and industrials can do this. On indys you need a 10mn MWD though so you have to make some sacrifices with cargo/Powergrid.

Also do you realise the sillyness of wanting to live in 0.0 and not thinking you can deal with lowsec?


Yea we all know the mwd-cloak trick from low sec exploration. Its not the "after" logistics of low sec but the initial setup that could be problematic. Just trying to time it and make that first 1-2 jumps through low in some of the slower ships. I've even been checking hole routes from the c2/c2/hs, thinking we could borrow their HS>C2 statics into our hole but its a long shot too.
Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-10-01 01:10:03 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

Daytrippers from your hisec are only a problem if you warp to the hisec to activate it. Roll your hisec to get a new one, don't warp to it and then run your sites. You're still not safe, but at least safeish.


I was under the impression it worked differently. I warp to it on the wh side, the k-space side shows a K162. If I dont warp to it it'l show as X### on the Kspace side. Did I misunderstand what I read or something?
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#6 - 2013-10-01 01:28:39 UTC
Whitelightrr wrote:
I was under the impression it worked differently. I warp to it on the wh side, the k-space side shows a K162. If I dont warp to it it'l show as X### on the Kspace side. Did I misunderstand what I read or something?

You completely misunderstood. There's no kspace side at all until you warp to it on the wh side.

Also, there's no such thing as a c2/c2/hs. That might explain why you're having trouble finding one. There's c2/c1/hs, c2/c3/hs, and c2/c2/ls.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-01 02:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
C2 with C2 and HS static doesnt exist.
In addition to the list in the above post, there are also C2s with C4 and HS statics.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-01 02:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Oh yeah, I didn't know there weren't C2 hisec/C2 ones either. Mine is a C2 hisec/C1 static.

Edit: I say "mine" like I'm the boss of it or something... The one I'm in right now is a C2 hisec/C1 static. Perfect for small corp, but very hard to find empty.

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#9 - 2013-10-01 23:38:34 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:


Also do you realise the sillyness of wanting to live in 0.0 and not thinking you can deal with lowsec?



Lowsec is a lot more dangerous than nullsec - aka, "The Land of Carbears Peacefully Floating Serenely in a Sea of Blue."

To the original question - C2s are popular because they can have static wormhole links to a wide variety of space. This makes them really nice for income earning and PvP opportunities.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#10 - 2013-10-02 11:54:20 UTC
"finding" specific type empty hole is very rare nowdays. But wormhole market is quite large and any wormhole can be purchased for reasonable isk. try wormholesales.com.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#11 - 2013-10-02 12:41:43 UTC
Riel Saigo wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:


Also do you realise the sillyness of wanting to live in 0.0 and not thinking you can deal with lowsec?



Lowsec is a lot more dangerous than nullsec - aka, "The Land of Carbears Peacefully Floating Serenely in a Sea of Blue."

To the original question - C2s are popular because they can have static wormhole links to a wide variety of space. This makes them really nice for income earning and PvP opportunities.


Yeh but no bubbles in lowsec make it a breeze to go through in any ship bar caps. Even then a single Falcon for support and ive got orcas through lowsec easily hell MWD cloak trick even kinda works on them.
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#12 - 2013-10-03 02:50:03 UTC
Yeah but LIVING in null sec is different than traveling through it.

If you want to LIVE in nullsec, then you basically join a carebear corp that bows down to a PvP alliance overlord, and is allowed to peacefully farm to their hearts content. Sure there's always the risk of the Russians, or roving wormhole gangs, or someone else raiding your systems. But it's not like the threat you face in lowsec. In null sec, you are surrounded by alliance ships, and you've got an intel channel giving plenty of warning to PvE ships and miners of incoming hostiles, and plenty of time to run for it and get safed up.

So for what the original poster is talking about - null sec is actually safer than high sec in many ways. Provided he gets cozy with his evil overlords. Which is basically a requirement for living in nullsec anyway.
Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-03 03:30:14 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Whitelightrr wrote:
I was under the impression it worked differently. I warp to it on the wh side, the k-space side shows a K162. If I dont warp to it it'l show as X### on the Kspace side. Did I misunderstand what I read or something?

You completely misunderstood. There's no kspace side at all until you warp to it on the wh side.

Also, there's no such thing as a c2/c2/hs. That might explain why you're having trouble finding one. There's c2/c1/hs, c2/c3/hs, and c2/c2/ls.


I get what you're saying but it just doesnt make sense to me based on what I see in-game. I've found many X702s in Kspace while searching for a c2. If what you say it is fact how it works (nothing spawns on the Kspace side until someone warps to it from inside that WH) then one of two things are happening:

1.) I manage to find an highly unusual amount of c2/c3 Kspace connections that randomly appear.

or

2.) It works the way I suspect it does. Whatever side "warps first" dictates the # you see. The WH is there regardless, predetermined to go to whatever hole. Until someone warps to it though the #xxx isn't applied.


I mean if there are no Kspace WHs until someone warps to that WH from the inside, how did anyone ever get into the WH to begin with? I dunno, maybe I'm just thinking about it in a different logic than everyone else. Anyways we found a nice c2/c2/ls, PI is a little weak but it'll be good for us to get our feet wet with and go from there.
Zara Arran
Overload This
#14 - 2013-10-03 09:06:58 UTC
Whitelightrr wrote:
A quick question on this type wormhole:
I've been searching for one of these for a little more than a week now. But everyone I find is taken, like 2-3+ tower taken!
What's the realistic odds of me "lucking" into an empty one?
Are they just THAT popular?
I've toyed with doing a low sec c2, but were a small corp and I'm afraid we may not be able to handle the logistics of it. Is there a huge difference in daytrippers (overall) or is it minor?


There are people / corporations out there who can do the searching for your desired WH for you for a fee. So if you don't mind to pay for it, you can find WH sales on the forums or in game channels. Though a C2 with a HS static might be a tough one if you want it uninhabited.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#15 - 2013-10-03 09:08:17 UTC
Lots of avaiable c2's:
http://wormholesales.com/

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#16 - 2013-10-03 18:16:00 UTC
Whitelightrr wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Whitelightrr wrote:
I was under the impression it worked differently. I warp to it on the wh side, the k-space side shows a K162. If I dont warp to it it'l show as X### on the Kspace side. Did I misunderstand what I read or something?

You completely misunderstood. There's no kspace side at all until you warp to it on the wh side.

Also, there's no such thing as a c2/c2/hs. That might explain why you're having trouble finding one. There's c2/c1/hs, c2/c3/hs, and c2/c2/ls.


I get what you're saying but it just doesnt make sense to me based on what I see in-game. I've found many X702s in Kspace while searching for a c2. If what you say it is fact how it works (nothing spawns on the Kspace side until someone warps to it from inside that WH) then one of two things are happening:

1.) I manage to find an highly unusual amount of c2/c3 Kspace connections that randomly appear.

or

2.) It works the way I suspect it does. Whatever side "warps first" dictates the # you see. The WH is there regardless, predetermined to go to whatever hole. Until someone warps to it though the #xxx isn't applied.


I mean if there are no Kspace WHs until someone warps to that WH from the inside, how did anyone ever get into the WH to begin with? I dunno, maybe I'm just thinking about it in a different logic than everyone else. Anyways we found a nice c2/c2/ls, PI is a little weak but it'll be good for us to get our feet wet with and go from there.

There are kspace wormholes. X702, for example, starts in kspace and doesn't have a wspace side until you warp to the kspace side.

In general: The K162 side is the "receiving" side and does not exist until someone warps to the other side of it. K162s from wspace had to have been warped to by someone on the wspace side. X702s in kspace are sitting there waiting for you, but the "other side" doesn't exist until someone warps to the X702 side.

Your idea that the number somehow changes is foolish at best and shows a very poor understanding of how wormholes work. There are multiple other threads on the topic. I would suggest you learn how things actually work fairly quickly or you're going to end up losing a ship because you thought you were safe when you weren't.