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how about we make it an act of aggression to actively scan a ship?

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Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#101 - 2013-10-01 20:07:14 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:

fast forward to today. my alt undocked from jita with a hauler. it was scanned by a criminal i can do nothing too and popped by someone else.
this is an exploit.
your fault for not using an insta-undock. the first chance someone should get to scan you is when you break gate cloak your first jump out of jita
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#102 - 2013-10-02 03:47:21 UTC
don't get it. you want suspect timers for cloaked scanning alts?

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#103 - 2013-10-02 06:21:04 UTC
I skipped three pages of this terrible thread to say that I live in highsec and this is one of the worst possible proposals I've seen in quite a long time. OP should go back to low/null and stop trying to paint happy pink flowers all over my cold and inhospitable trade routes.

Oh and stop undocking from Jita 4-4 if you can't handle what goes on there.
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#104 - 2013-10-02 08:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mole Guy
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Mole Guy wrote:

fast forward to today. my alt undocked from jita with a hauler. it was scanned by a criminal i can do nothing too and popped by someone else.
this is an exploit.
your fault for not using an insta-undock. the first chance someone should get to scan you is when you break gate cloak your first jump out of jita

see, what a stupid reply.

it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.

auto targeter, hot guns, when u go flashy, you pop. pretty soon, itll cost you 50-100 mill a day to run this operation. just think of how many ship you guys scan.. pop, pop, pop, pop

and im not a hauler. im not a pve guy. im not a pvper. im a person who does a little of all. when i fly somewhere, i expect to be able to defend myself. thats it.

i myself, will park my combat guys (i have multiple toons) in high traveled areas where they are camps and gank the gankers. i will make it my mission to cost you guys. because i can.
everytime you scan someone, pop.
its automatic. cant be avoided.

go get another ship. i will spend a couple weeks in high sec just for fun. rack up a noob ship kill log from hell. oh, btw...go get another ship.
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#105 - 2013-10-02 08:17:13 UTC
1. Use a T2 Hauler which is immune to cargo scanners.
2. be immune to cargo scans.
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!

My Condor costs less than that module!

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-10-02 08:21:39 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Mole Guy wrote:

fast forward to today. my alt undocked from jita with a hauler. it was scanned by a criminal i can do nothing too and popped by someone else.
this is an exploit.
your fault for not using an insta-undock. the first chance someone should get to scan you is when you break gate cloak your first jump out of jita

see, what a stupid reply.

it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.

auto targeter, hot guns, when u go flashy, you pop. pretty soon, itll cost you 50-100 mill a day to run this operation. just think of how many ship you guys scan.. pop, pop, pop, pop

and im not a hauler. im not a pve guy. im not a pvper. im a person who does a little of all. when i fly somewhere, i expect to be able to defend myself. thats it.

i myself, will park my combat guys (i have multiple toons) in high traveled areas where they are camps and gank the gankers. i will make it my mission to cost you guys. because i can.
everytime you scan someone, pop.
its automatic. cant be avoided.

go get another ship. i will spend a couple weeks in high sec just for fun. rack up a noob ship kill log from hell. oh, btw...go get another ship.


I will give you a simple restatement of what I posted earlier.

You won't stop random ganks with this. All you do is remove those who *DO* think, plan and use tactics for piracy.

That is not improving the game at all - it is quite literally "dumbing down" an activity that currently shows that someone is thinking and planning for what they do.

Do you really want those types removed from that kind of activity so only the half-wit drooling monkeys are left doing this?

IMO -- If you're going to lose a ship to someone, better it be to someone who actually thought about what they were doing and *PICKED* you as a target vs just a random drive-by shooting or moron gate-camper popping targets for lulz.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#107 - 2013-10-02 08:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
TehCloud wrote:
1. Use a T2 Hauler which is immune to cargo scanners.
2. be immune to cargo scans.
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!


Ah someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about\can't read 4 pages of a thread before posting in a thread. Go try and haul anything in T2 Blockade Runner at least once and then comment back after you've read the thread.

T2 Industrials are mentioned in-depth on Page 3 by myself.
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#108 - 2013-10-02 09:31:20 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
1. Use a T2 Hauler which is immune to cargo scanners.
2. be immune to cargo scans.
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!


Ah someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about\can't read 4 pages of a thread before posting in a thread. Go try and haul anything in T2 Blockade Runner at least once and then comment back after you've read the thread.

T2 Industrials are mentioned in-depth on Page 3 by myself.


Saying Blockade runners have little cargo is hardly mentioning something in-depth.

They made ships with special roles for a reason.
In a Blockade Runner, noone will be able to scan you.

Even in a T1 Hauler with a Cloak noone will be able to scan you if you aren't stupid.
So how is getting scanned a problem? This thread is almost as pathetic as the make highsec safer thread.

But I still like the idea on the limited engagement for scanning. I'd love to be able to shoot freighters anywhere at anytime.

My Condor costs less than that module!

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#109 - 2013-10-02 09:49:08 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
1. Use a T2 Hauler which is immune to cargo scanners.
2. be immune to cargo scans.
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!


Ah someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about\can't read 4 pages of a thread before posting in a thread. Go try and haul anything in T2 Blockade Runner at least once and then comment back after you've read the thread.

T2 Industrials are mentioned in-depth on Page 3 by myself.


Saying Blockade runners have little cargo is hardly mentioning something in-depth.

They made ships with special roles for a reason.
In a Blockade Runner, noone will be able to scan you.

Even in a T1 Hauler with a Cloak noone will be able to scan you if you aren't stupid.
So how is getting scanned a problem? This thread is almost as pathetic as the make highsec safer thread.

But I still like the idea on the limited engagement for scanning. I'd love to be able to shoot freighters anywhere at anytime.


Actually I added on the idea that immunity to cargo scanning should be extended to all T2 Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports.

Yes, these were made for, surprise, running Blockades. Read the description again and also this "There are two variants, one able to hold more cargo, and one able to move and align faster, allowing for quick escapes."

Now you try hauling anything as a serious trader in, for arguments sake, say a Prowler. That ain't really gonna happen.

The funny thing about these is that it would've made more sense to add the immunity to Cargo Scanning to the Deep Space Transport and not the Blockade Runners as the BR has the ability to cloak and warp thus removing the risk of being scanned.

You merely address the inefficient workarounds that people use to deal with the "problem" of Cargo Scanning before ganks rather than addressing the idea in the OP.

Keep on trolling mate.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#110 - 2013-10-02 10:13:44 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:


it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.



no matter where u are u run the risk of getting shot by undocking...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Ciaphas Cyne
Moira.
#111 - 2013-10-02 10:20:19 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Mole Guy wrote:


it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.



no matter where u are u run the risk of getting shot by undocking...


unless you're in a scanning ship. git.

"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"

  • you
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#112 - 2013-10-02 10:31:41 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Mole Guy wrote:


it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.



no matter where u are u run the risk of getting shot by undocking...


Yes, we all know that EVE is a dangerous\harsh\unforgiving blah blah blah place ( abit like the Forums sometimes ha ha) and the only safe place is in dock. We aren't asking for a comforter or a blanky...just battering around some ideas to bring something new\different to the table.

Sorry, wasn't having a go just I've heard these lines so many times...
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#113 - 2013-10-02 10:35:59 UTC
which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#114 - 2013-10-02 10:46:12 UTC
Maximus Aerelius, fit a MWD, fit a Cloak. Be immune to Cargo Scanners if you're smart enough to use insta undocks and similar smart things.

My Condor costs less than that module!

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#115 - 2013-10-02 10:57:44 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking


So any industrial hauler then? And we should all just live with that? And that there's no defence or way to combat the gankers except to just re-ship and try again? I don't believe that the EVE community is so willing to accept that or maybe it's false hope What?
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#116 - 2013-10-02 11:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
TehCloud wrote:
Maximus Aerelius, fit a MWD, fit a Cloak. Be immune to Cargo Scanners if you're smart enough to use insta undocks and similar smart things.


While I appreciate the above it doesn't address the issue merely the workaround. And I personally do all of the above along with fitting Inertia Stabs, Warp Core Stabs where required etc. ectc. etc. and GTFO PDQ ASAP of the gate...believe me I know not to AFK haul as well.

This isn't the issue. The issue is the "peeping toms" who have no consequences to "popping my trailer doors" to see if anything is worth stealing.

EDIT: Oh and the MWD blows your signature up +500% making it quicker to lock you down...if the gankers are fast they'll get you. If the person Cargo Scanning you is quick they'll get you scanned quicker and let the gankers know you're using a MWD\Cloak trick...easier to scan you, easier to gank you.

EDIT 2: Practical example:

Mastodon - T2 Deep Space Transport
Signature Radius150 m.
MWD Active: 900m (150 + 750 from MWD)
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-10-02 12:17:30 UTC
This doesn't make ganking harder it just gives more opportunities for ship explosions! which is what we all want right? well, except the gankers complaining here.. how does this make highsec any safer you're still gonna destroy the freighter if it has nice loot you just can't go around doing it the easiest way now.

I don't think people are getting the idea here especially the gankers, it's not about making highsec safer or easier for freighters it's about consequences, cargo scanning is equal to truck scanning or someone openning the lock of your car to check out what's inside, looking through a car irl is the same as look at ship command has nothing to do with cargo scanning, and ship scanning is like popping the hood.

Great idea.
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#118 - 2013-10-02 12:39:20 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

im afraid this statement isnt correct.

the root cause of gankings are pieces of crap who cant go earn a buck for themselves. they would rather sit somewhere where there is no risk for them and shoot defenseless things and take.

i rat, i build, i go in worm holes and do gas or mine, run sites, i do a wide variety of things to positively contribute.
i have given away tons of rigs from salvage to noobs who cant afford to buy stuff for their new ship.

this is MY play style. this is how *I* like to play. i am not saying everyone else has too, but *I* get the most enjoyment out of helping others.

gankers are afraid to go somewhere where they might be targeted and chased down. they sit in high secuntil they find something easy to steal. of course, with my 10 years of military, i find this and those who do it to be the lowest forms of life, but thats *THEIR* play style.

all i am asking for is the ability to hold accountable *ALL* people involved with the process.
if the scanner has to reship every 3 seconds and has to buy cargo scanners every 3 seconds, itll eventually break them. i would shoot the wreck so the scanner couldnt be reused. every scan....pop.

every
time.

you play your way, make it right so i can patrol and defend the weak against the lazy.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#119 - 2013-10-02 12:54:44 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

im afraid this statement isnt correct.

the root cause of gankings are pieces of crap who cant go earn a buck for themselves. they would rather sit somewhere where there is no risk for them and shoot defenseless things and take.

i rat, i build, i go in worm holes and do gas or mine, run sites, i do a wide variety of things to positively contribute.
i have given away tons of rigs from salvage to noobs who cant afford to buy stuff for their new ship.

this is MY play style. this is how *I* like to play. i am not saying everyone else has too, but *I* get the most enjoyment out of helping others.

gankers are afraid to go somewhere where they might be targeted and chased down. they sit in high secuntil they find something easy to steal. of course, with my 10 years of military, i find this and those who do it to be the lowest forms of life, but thats *THEIR* play style.

all i am asking for is the ability to hold accountable *ALL* people involved with the process.
if the scanner has to reship every 3 seconds and has to buy cargo scanners every 3 seconds, itll eventually break them. i would shoot the wreck so the scanner couldnt be reused. every scan....pop.

every
time.

you play your way, make it right so i can patrol and defend the weak against the lazy.


No surprise but I have to agree with Mole Guy. If they have to scrap alts because they got popped for scanning by someone and have to do thta so often it will eventually turn into either you get "Professional Scanners" as a career (a new career path perhaps) or people get so sick of creating new chars that they no longer use disposable alts.

I, personally, have never seen the joy in ganking haulers\cargo runners. It seems cowardly and bottom feeding to me but that's my opinion. You bite the hand that feeds you and you're going to starve...

I'm all for cause and consequence as well and if I went around breaking the locks on truck doors in a freight yard I'd expect security to say "OI! WTF do you think you're doing" and then the big hairy arsed trucker driver to come out and kick my arse (or at least the co-driver).
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#120 - 2013-10-02 13:22:33 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Mole Guy wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

im afraid this statement isnt correct.

the root cause of gankings are pieces of crap who cant go earn a buck for themselves. they would rather sit somewhere where there is no risk for them and shoot defenseless things and take.

i rat, i build, i go in worm holes and do gas or mine, run sites, i do a wide variety of things to positively contribute.
i have given away tons of rigs from salvage to noobs who cant afford to buy stuff for their new ship.

this is MY play style. this is how *I* like to play. i am not saying everyone else has too, but *I* get the most enjoyment out of helping others.

gankers are afraid to go somewhere where they might be targeted and chased down. they sit in high secuntil they find something easy to steal. of course, with my 10 years of military, i find this and those who do it to be the lowest forms of life, but thats *THEIR* play style.

all i am asking for is the ability to hold accountable *ALL* people involved with the process.
if the scanner has to reship every 3 seconds and has to buy cargo scanners every 3 seconds, itll eventually break them. i would shoot the wreck so the scanner couldnt be reused. every scan....pop.

every
time.

you play your way, make it right so i can patrol and defend the weak against the lazy.


No surprise but I have to agree with Mole Guy. If they have to scrap alts because they got popped for scanning by someone and have to do thta so often it will eventually turn into either you get "Professional Scanners" as a career (a new career path perhaps) or people get so sick of creating new chars that they no longer use disposable alts.

I, personally, have never seen the joy in ganking haulers\cargo runners. It seems cowardly and bottom feeding to me but that's my opinion. You bite the hand that feeds you and you're going to starve...

I'm all for cause and consequence as well and if I went around breaking the locks on truck doors in a freight yard I'd expect security to say "OI! WTF do you think you're doing" and then the big hairy arsed trucker driver to come out and kick my arse (or at least the co-driver).

i agree. i am not saying you cant gank me. im saying its going to cost you so much, over time you will get off your lazy azzes and go do something useful.

and check this coward out who sent me an email in game. i dont think he used his main nor would he post it in here..



"pop, pop, pop, pop"
From: xxx x xx
Sent: 2013.10.02 13:00
To: Mole Guy,

do freighters and haulers if they carry too much.

Its ok this way, gankers already loose their ships. No more safety for high sec, **** off stupid moron.



keep it on the forums.