Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is silly that in a 0.4 system you expect anyone you see to shoot you, but in 0.5 player aggression is rare. Lets add some middle ground. My suggestion: make suicide attacking easier in 0.5 systems. Give players more time to do their dirty work before Concord deals its justice.

-Concord spawns slower, the equivalent time it would take a player ship to jump through a stargate and then warp to you.
-Lower DPS, should depend on aggressor's ship class, maybe they hit a Frigate with 300 DPS, but a Battleship with 1,500 (I just pulled those out of the air, don't go nuts if you don't agree with the exact numbers)
-No Concord e-war other than warp disruption
-If the fight goes too long, or you manage to pop the Concord ship, then Concord brings in the big guns and melts face.
-All jump gates and stations are still locked, you cannot escape, you will just last longer

Thoughts?

EDIT: Based on a number of the replied I think I might have used the wrong term. When I said "make suicide ganking easier" I wasn't specifically talking about attacking ships with the goal of grabbing their valuable cargo or mods. I was talking about any type of suicide attack, even if the goal was just to get a kill. I edited the OP above.

EDIT 2: I am reconsidering making any changes to 0.6 systems. I think doing this in 0.5 only is more fair. 0.5 would become a hybrid between low and high, where some PvP can happen, but you are guaranteed to lose your ship if you agrees and fights are limited too a minute or two with no logi.

It is only every so slightly easier, Concord comes a little slower, but not much, and when they arrive they ECM you out of the fight instantly.

The fact of the matter is that suicide ganking is rare in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. It is not common.

they should totally double the concord delay, would be really appreciated. Using seven catalysts would be a lot more economical for ganking freighters :>

I spend most of my time in low sec already. My opening point is that there should be more gray area between high and low. Kind of a medium security space if you will. If YOU don't like the idea, then feel free to stay in 0.7 and higher systems.

I agree with you on this point. I disagree on the implementation. We need a middle ground between "suicide ganks" and "no response at all except by stargates and stations".
We need a police force that will respond, but can be escaped. One that will bring significant forces, but one that can be escaped by jamming/killing a few scrams and warping off.

One that makes you feel like you're in GTA, fighting the cops there - you can't win, but you can hold them off a while, and you can escape.


I'd be willing to make concessions on 0.5 systems, if you make concessions on 0.4 systems.


How about, in 0.4 systems, there is no Concord (as it currently is), but there are faction police.
Commit an act of aggression in a sub cap ship, and per every aggressing ship that spawns, the following navy flotilla spawns:
2 Navy Battleships (one of each type for that races empire, ), 1 navy BCs, 2 navy cruisers, 2 T1 logistics ships (like an exequor or osprey) 2 navy frigates (Firetail/Comet/Slicer...), 1 T1 ewar frigate, and 2 scram+web fit T1 tackle frigates (Atron/slasher/executioner/condor) - it would be completely possible to break tackle and warp off though (you could evade them, unlike concord). The T1 logis would rep the player, or the navy ships, whichever one has player aggro.
Reps would be shield or armor according to the empire space that its in.

Some patrols of this size in belts occasionally, attacking them spawns more navy ships, otherwise they do not aggress any players unless those players recently aggressed. - nothing of value, not even tags, drop


In 0.3 systems, an act of aggression, per player spawns:
1 Navy Battleships, 2 navy cruisers, 2 navy frigates, and 2 web only fit T1 tackle frigates
No patrols in belts


Each ship has with stats as if a very low skill* capsuleer was flying the hulls with a meta 4 fit - not the stats you see on mission NPCs.
*ignores prereqs, so they could fit large guns without gunnery V, I'd say drones V is the only skill they'd have to V


0.2/0.1 -> gate and station guns - nothing more, 0.2 has more powerful guns than 0.1



In 0.4 systems, if a capital ship aggresses, then the empire bring in their own capital flotilla.
A player with a carrier or dread aggresses... 3 racial dreads and 3 racial carriers arrive... sub caps assist... then per each one, the previous described flotillas arrive..... (and maybe an additional 1 titan and 1 supercarrier spawn in this flotilla if a supercapital aggresses, or maybe the navy turns tail and runs if a super shows up)

In 0.3 systems, if a capital ship aggresses, the navy turns tail and runs.


Or maybe, take that scheme and shift it from "0.4 and 0.3" to "0.5 and 0.4"

Yeah there should be more middle ground! Why isn't concord in low-sec at all! There should be concord in low-sec, with a larger delay then in high sec! I want to be on the bad idea band wagon too!

Uuuh.

No.

In fact.

**** NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Thanks, but we LIKE being able to PvP in lowsec.

the argument could be made that 0.4 to 0.1 space is too dangerous because 0.4 space is far closer to 0.0 space than it is to 0.5 space.

The problem is that at some point it still becomes one of two choices:

#1 concord is going to kill you and escaping them is an exploit
#2 concord isnt going to guarantee the kill against an aggressor and people will figure you exactly how to kill you and get away with it.

You COULD say that, but it would be wrong. There is a HUGE difference between how safe it is to travel in 0.4 space and 0.0. It is night and day. High sec is pretty much all high sec, unless you are in something like a freighter.

My suggestion would allow my attacks to happen in 0.5 and 0.6 systems, and evading Concord would still not be an option. I think the idea that attacking someone in high sec will cost you your ship is a good idea...for high sec. However, I think the lower parts of high, you should be able to get a lot more mileage out of your ship before it is lost.

Um y? If you just want to kill ships that don't put up a fight, go do some missions.

Honestly, this idea is similar to something like "man we should be able to steal from hangers for isk"...