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legion HAM - I know its not worth as tengu but I need to do something with it
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Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-01 07:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Christyna Ishiyama
which combination is best = target painters and webifiers (3 medium slots free)

If nothing else it will do "much less damage" on "worse range" than my tengu but it will provide some additional benefits and it will have 1800 speed. I hope that it will at least somehow help...
Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-10-01 07:50:42 UTC
of those choice 2x web 1x tp..


if it cant move you apply more damage. Then you can also blow up sig.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-10-01 08:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Christyna Ishiyama
the only thing which I am not sure is if I will be able to be at webifier range with 100 Mn afterburner but I hope that it would be possible to stay at range

I suppose 2 webifiers because it stacks really well and it will basically stop the target even if it have really huge speeds...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-01 11:07:04 UTC
Christyna Ishiyama wrote:
which combination is best = target painters and webifiers (3 medium slots free)

If nothing else it will do "much less damage" on "worse range" than my tengu but it will provide some additional benefits and it will have 1800 speed. I hope that it will at least somehow help...


Prop mod web scram/disruptor or double web scram, camp them kill them (slowly), collect tears in local: yummy

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#5 - 2013-10-01 11:17:45 UTC
Faction Scram/Faction Web/Injector.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-01 15:05:11 UTC
I am really not sure how to fit it still:-)
I have so many options and whats worse everytime when I think that its pretty fine I am simply pissed by the fact that I can do everything better in Tengu (tank and Dps) :-) (but without any utility)

[Legion, Legion HAM]

Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II

Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

I have also variant with more BCU without damage control and also variant with 6 launchers and without damage control or additional BCU and that fit also require to take something for cap regen ....

utilities can be choosed based on needs
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2013-10-01 17:00:35 UTC
Christyna Ishiyama wrote:
I am really not sure how to fit it still:-)
I have so many options and whats worse everytime when I think that its pretty fine I am simply pissed by the fact that I can do everything better in Tengu (tank and Dps) :-) (but without any utility)

[Legion, Legion HAM]

Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II

Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

I have also variant with more BCU without damage control and also variant with 6 launchers and without damage control or additional BCU and that fit also require to take something for cap regen ....

utilities can be choosed based on needs


This looks wrong for PvE. 5 launchers means that you wasted 15% dps from scratch, you easily got the PG left to go with a gist c-type (40mil instead of 200mil, also goes faster), you are using tankmodules worth around 1BIL... whereas L4s (I wouldn't know what else one would aspire doing with that fit) doesn't require to fit anything but a c-type repairer and an EANM to tank those easily.

Or in pictures:

Quote:
[Legion, missioning]

Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Capacitor Power Relay II

Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Large Capacitor Battery II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


- got half the tank, half the price, 20% more dps, better application, same caplife. Is a little faster.
Julius Priscus
#8 - 2013-10-01 18:26:20 UTC
the ham legion is very cpu hungry.

this is what I used to use. replace the cap recharger with any mod you can fit if you don't like it.. as it is it makes the cap recharge damn near annoying to break.

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gistum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Freya Shimane
Malevelon Roe Industries
#9 - 2013-10-01 18:27:54 UTC
Not sure what rats you're shooting, but pulse Legions are totally viable now with the medium turret buff.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#10 - 2013-10-01 18:42:13 UTC
A HAM Legion for PvP is a great boat. Have 5 HAMs and a Neut/Nos then mids add a scram/disrupt, a web and if able a TP. and then in lows just have a AAR and regular armor repair and a resist and some BCUs and DCU, they are VERY tough boats and do a good amount of DPS.

For PvE the HAM Tnegu is a much better ship, more range, more DPS, and usually a better tank. I won't lie though the Legion is hands down the best looking T3 in New Eden, and the HAM Legion is a good boat, just you aren't going to be able to do what a Tengu can. I think now a Cerb do around the same or more DPS then a Tengu and can hit 40 plus with rage heavy assaults, and have a pretty good tank anymore too. I'm gonna look more into that for maybe replacing my PvE Tengu.

Other thing is the new patch, the Marauders will probably be PvE kings again, the new siege type mode will make them unreal, and with the new deployable modules (one of those modules will be able to tracker beam everything to it), Marauders will be unreal. If you PvE a lot, work your way up to them.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#11 - 2013-10-01 18:59:12 UTC
Tengu still does more DPS than the cerb.
Freya Shimane wrote:
Not sure what rats you're shooting, but pulse Legions are totally viable now with the medium turret buff.

You mean beams? Pulses didn't get changed...
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#12 - 2013-10-01 19:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
I'm not saying it isn't, i'm saying a Cerb with rages hit to 40km plus, and does over 800 DPS. A Tengu can do 900 to 1,000 DPS but doesn't have the range. A Sacr prob would be a pretty badass ship now too. I only brought up the Cerb and now Sacr because the post was asking about HAM legions not about guns.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-01 19:08:53 UTC
I have maxed tengu already on different account.

tank for lvl 4 is not required if there isnt big number of webifiers and scramblers from elite frigates.
tht happen to me in my tengu and i died even with oveload.

i made a mistake with wrong agro but if this happens you are dead....

but yeah with tengu you have better damage, double range,double tank...

its sad but its true (i must look at cerberus)

the only things whixh is missing is utility slots.

currently i am using 6x medium turrets but i planned to try 100afterburner and i dont think that its good choice to fit it together with turrets and much better is to fit it together with missile and make the ship great at xlearing small anf fast targets.

I would say that i my opinion is legion really the best looking ship, but for pve its far from perfect.

currently i am waiting on marauder on paladin because it looks really great. (cheap fit, great damage, great range, great tank if i need it, mjd, immune to ewar - another thing which i hate on machariel and legion when i am flying them sometime. Its anoying if i cant hit anything just because ewar...
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-01 19:23:31 UTC
Tengu can have 1000 at 35 km range and even with great tank, or at least similar to what i post here with legion.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#15 - 2013-10-01 19:24:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
I agree, when the Marauders get buffed, they will be great in PvE. No EWAR, will be able to tank unreal and still do great DPS in the siege mod, and outside the seige they will be able to mirco jump twice as often as any other ship. I can use the Golem or Kronos, will just have to see which of the 2 is better after the patch.

Another ship to look into are the new SOE boats that will be coming out. Able to cloaky warp, bonus to armor resist, bonus to drones (suppose to have huge drone bays), and probably a bonus to scanning. They are also suppose to be able to hold their own in a fight. Looks like they will be getting lasers (It will be lasers or hybrids). So it will be a armor drone/laser boat that can scan unreal and cloak and warp. And damn they look nice haha

The Tengu is a GREAT HAM or HML boat, alwalys has been, and should always been. The Legion is nice, and I fly one sometimes to just change it up, but the Legion can't do what the Tengu can, sad but true, not with HAMs anyways.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#16 - 2013-10-01 19:34:44 UTC
Also don't use the T2 webs or TP, the Meta 4s do just as well but take less PG and/or CPU same with the T2 scram and Meta 4 scrams. Always look into Meta 4s, sometimes they do the same as T2s but take less to use.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-01 20:01:33 UTC
I look forward to new ships
(dont know which skills will be required)
but if you are saying that it will be drones + lasers I can switch to it from Legion and use that or paladin :-) (I will finally use drones with my amarr char)

Marauder PvE and New ships for PvP (is it cruiser size?)

But after patch I think that
paladin will be best agains all rats with weak EM/THER ressist
Tengu against kinetic
machariel (exp, em, therm) but vulnerable to Ewar and with lower damage than Paladin against EM and Therm

I did not comment ships which I cant fly :-D (so there are many other choices like rattlesnake/dominix sentry builds (but slow jump drive) so I will definately prefer sniper paladin at least for EM/THERM and other marauders will be surely also interesting.
Not sure with new ships etc ...

I can imagine the only problem which can happen to paladin and its when I will jump to mission, I will dont have a cooldown on jump drive, I will run bastion mode or something like that and warp scramble ships reach me and start orbiting me. (I will clear everything else in bastion mode but these ships will stay there and if it will be elite frigates it will take some time for light drones to destroy them which can be really annoying). I thing that drones should be able to kill that targets but it will take some time :-)
In the worst scenario I can arrive there with second account and shot it down. But to be honest this shouldnt happen very often and only if I do something wrong and even then.... I cant die in misson with extreme tank in bastion mode
With webifier bonus which they removed I will be probably able to kill these little frigates easier
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#18 - 2013-10-01 20:17:43 UTC
CCP said the new SOE ships will be Amarr/Gal skilled. And they will be drone boats for sure, what type of wepaons they use besides drones I'm not sure, but in the concept picture of the cruiser it has lasers on her.

New ships for PvP (is it cruiser size?) i'm confused with that question.

For PvE I LOVE the RS, it's a great ship. Can put out over 1,100DPS with it's drones and missiles and has a shield tank unmatched by any other ship battleship and under.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-10-01 20:57:34 UTC
ok so I refit back to pulse legion ... 800 / 570 dps based on T2 ammo and its with same tank, I only come back to 10 afterburner. I also have some navy ammo in case that I will have tracking issues.

and I can one hit frigates which is nice ... So i will fly probably this until marauder patch ...

I have 2 mid slots left.
I suppose that 2x tracking computer is best in this case.
Christyna Ishiyama
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-10-01 21:00:50 UTC
I just meant if the new ships which they will add are ....

frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battle cruisers ...

I think that I even read in some official post that it will be lasers and drones from what I remember and armor tanks...
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