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Individual War decs

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Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-30 14:08:22 UTC
Thinking about the way NPC corporation members are free to do whatever they want, free from all type of repercussions, and with bounties being next to useless, I've been thinking about the idea of individual war decs.

This way if you want to attack someone you (personally) can wardec them (personally).
This would mean your corp cannot intervene so it's effectively a 1 on 1.
This would cost 100m to declare.
Once declared, the defender is free to open the war to allies (more individuals, not corps or alliances). This opens the abilities for allies on both sides. If the defender chooses to leave allies closed, then neither side can have allies.
Allies joining would cost the the party receiving the applies 10m + whatever fee they are paying the the ally.

So A wants to attack B
A pays 100m to declare on B, 24 hour countdown for war begins.
B opens war for allies.
B recruits ally X for 50m - 24 hour countdown for X begins.
{10 hours later}
A recruits ally Y for 100m - 24 hour countdown for Y begins.

So now A has paid 100m to Y, and 60m to concord.
B has paid 50m to X and 10m to concord.
More allies are able to be recruited to allow the situation to escalate.

These should be available to anyone and on anyone, not just NPC corps.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-30 14:11:43 UTC
Wants to be able to war dec an individual player, posts with a fresh forum alt.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-30 14:17:53 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Wants to be able to war dec an individual player, posts with a fresh forum alt.
This is in fact not a fresh forum alt :p
It's a new character sure, but it's a main. The main aim of this guys is to look at ways of combating high sec problems where concord are not involved, so this is merely another idea on the block.
With my other character being in a corp performing various tasks in high sec, but not being a CEO or director, I figured posting with him could get my corp war decced, and since this is nothing to do with them that would be bad.
So here I am on this guy. Deal with it.
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-09-30 14:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: suid0
Hitamino wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Wants to be able to war dec an individual player, posts with a fresh forum alt.
This is in fact not a fresh forum alt :p
It's a new character sure, but it's a main. The main aim of this guys is to look at ways of combating high sec problems where concord are not involved, so this is merely another idea on the block.
With my other character being in a corp performing various tasks in high sec, but not being a CEO or director, I figured posting with him could get my corp war decced, and since this is nothing to do with them that would be bad.
So here I am on this guy. Deal with it.


You just described a fresh forum alt RollRoll

Also, if you have a problem with an individual you'd actually have more success just suicide ganking them.

If you could dec an individual they'd just avoid you tbh and you'd get nowhere anyway.

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#5 - 2013-09-30 14:56:03 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Wants to be able to war dec an individual player, posts with a fresh forum alt.
This is in fact not a fresh forum alt :p
It's a new character sure, but it's a main. The main aim of this guys is to look at ways of combating high sec problems where concord are not involved, so this is merely another idea on the block.
With my other character being in a corp performing various tasks in high sec, but not being a CEO or director, I figured posting with him could get my corp war decced, and since this is nothing to do with them that would be bad.
So here I am on this guy. Deal with it.


Ah I always Main Post and I never take Forum to IG action. Nothing get's me that het up but I think that if you have real conviction behind your comments or suggestions Main posting shouldn't be looked poorly upon.

That said I can see where you are coming from but those who disagree should just state it in the Forum and when they close it leave those issues behind. I've disagreed with as many as I've agreed with and some have got quite heated but I respect others enough to not be insulting (well too insulting sometimes) and respect that we won't all agree and it doesn't need to move to IG.
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-30 14:58:10 UTC
suid0 wrote:
You just described a fresh forum alt RollRoll

Also, if you have a problem with an individual you'd actually have more success just suicide ganking them.

If you could dec an individual they'd just avoid you tbh and you'd get nowhere anyway.
He's not though is he... He's on his own account and has an in-game purpose, and eventually his own rep. He's the equivalent of any other alt.
Somewhat off topic though.

And not all ships can be suicide ganked. There is no punishment for doing anything in high sec (even having -10 means nearly nothing), and yet we are always told "do it yourself". I'm happy to do it myself. Give us the tools to enable us to take our revenge, and we can do it ourselves. At the moment we have our hands tied behinds our backs preventing us from taking action ourselves, we have to hope that they somehow flag themselves or do something really dumb.
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-30 15:01:25 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Hitamino wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Wants to be able to war dec an individual player, posts with a fresh forum alt.
This is in fact not a fresh forum alt :p
It's a new character sure, but it's a main. The main aim of this guys is to look at ways of combating high sec problems where concord are not involved, so this is merely another idea on the block.
With my other character being in a corp performing various tasks in high sec, but not being a CEO or director, I figured posting with him could get my corp war decced, and since this is nothing to do with them that would be bad.
So here I am on this guy. Deal with it.


Ah I always Main Post and I never take Forum to IG action. Nothing get's me that het up but I think that if you have real conviction behind your comments or suggestions Main posting shouldn't be looked poorly upon.

That said I can see where you are coming from but those who disagree should just state it in the Forum and when they close it leave those issues behind. I've disagreed with as many as I've agreed with and some have got quite heated but I respect others enough to not be insulting (well too insulting sometimes) and respect that we won't all agree and it doesn't need to move to IG.
Well This is a main, so that's not an issue. And I don't want to punish a random corp I've joined on my other char for my own words (since a lot of people aren't like you, and they do in fact take it in game). If I posted on my other char I'd get get "ahh, 3 month old forum alt" anyway.
All of that though, well off topic. So lets try to remain on the topic at hand, discussing the merits and problems associated with the idea, rather than the character I post them with.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-09-30 15:08:12 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Well This is a main, so that's not an issue.

You can only have one main.
Hitamino wrote:
And I don't want to punish a random corp I've joined on my other char for my own words (since a lot of people aren't like you, and they do in fact take it in game).

Ingame words will get you war decs far more often than posting on the forums, Unless you are being a total jackass on the forums.
Hitamino wrote:
If I posted on my other char I'd get get "ahh, 3 month old forum alt" anyway.

A forum alt usually has no corp history and is sitting in a rookie corp there entire lifetime, being less than a day old confirms that it's a forum alt even more.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-30 15:15:03 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
You can only have one main.
Then this is him.

Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Ingame words will get you war decs far more often than posting on the forums, Unless you are being a total jackass on the forums.
I'm making a post about war dec mechanics...

Omnathious Deninard wrote:
A forum alt usually has no corp history and is sitting in a rookie corp there entire lifetime, being less than a day old confirms that it's a forum alt even more.
Well later on today this guy will be in his own corp. I've learned a lot in the 3 months I've player my other (now relegated to hauling alt) character, so this guy is my means of doing things right, so quit your crying.

Again though. All off topic. And regardless of what character I choose to post with, this remains my choice, and none of your business. If all you can find wrong with this idea though is the fact that this character was made yesterday, then thanks for the bumps and the support I guess.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#10 - 2013-09-30 15:24:40 UTC
On Topic:

OK, NPC chars cannot be war decced and NPC Corps cannot war dec others = balance.

I can see this individual war deccing being abused left right and centre TBH. If you have a grievance or lost a ship to someone who attacked you then you have Kill Rights.

If you are aggressed then they are suspect for 15 minutes, get on it and get it done. If you kill a Suspect they don't get Kill Rights on you (AFAIK) but you can scoop up their tears Twisted

Not sure if this is needed but I'm going to loiter to see what others discuss if you don't mind Smile
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-30 15:43:12 UTC
True, though a lot of things don't reward kill rights. You can scam people, with no repercussions, take salvage without triggering suspect (rightly so). You can also flag yourself by stealing, but using a cheap ship to move stuff from can to can, then grab it with an alt in a hauler, thus avoiding consequences.
It just seems to me that for a game that is supposed to be unforgiving, you are forgiven quite easily if you avoid illegally killing someone. Even then, if you get a kill right on you, the enemy can oonly use it once. If they open it to the public for cheap, you can even take and use it yourself on a cheap ship, and run away laughing.

Also, people often use scouts and alts (much like the hauler alt in the scenario above). these characters are totally untouchable without you yourself giving them a killright, leading you to need to create a gank alt to get them back. All in all it seems a bit peaceful for an "unforgiving" game.

By eliminating alliances and corps from being able to war dec an individual, and giving the defender complete control over allowing or leaving out allies, it makes it tough to abuse. You will only war dec someone if you know you can kill them. They may chose to simply avoid you, in which case you are paying a lot of isk for no kill, and the cost would be weekly, much like normal war decs.

I dunno, I just like the idea of giving players an option to take their issues up with each other rather than the choices we have now which is ganking, pointless sec status and utterly useless bounties.