EVE General Discussion

Wrote an essay on the test server feedback about this, but this is actually a nerf to may situations.

With skills, the side effects were rare, and those that happened rarely mattered in the situations where you used boosters. When you needed 30% more tank or 30% more tracking, armor/cap/tracking penalities rarely mattered, since taking the booster was the difference between tanking incoming DPS or popping. I'd wager that I didn't care about almost every penalty of boosters in the situations where I used them.

The main barrier to drug use was always their illegality - if they lose over 50% of their potency (as they have now on Sis) I'll no longer consider them worth the cost and hassle. Don't nerf their effectiveness, even if it means keeping the penalites - or keep higher grade boosters in that retain the penalites (risk versus reward, 30% bonuses with the old side effects).

You are completely wrong on almost every point you site.

I mean, how can you actually be this wrong?

The side effects didn't matter? Are you serious?

Here we go:

Blue pill: Shield boost amount is the bonus, possible side effect, less total shields. HOW IS THAT NOT AN ISSUE.

Exile pill: Armor rep amount, possible side effect, less armor

X-Instinct: Sig reduction, every penalty it has sucks.

I could go on, and now lets address your second paragraph, where you claim they are 50% less effective. Well in the first paragraph you already claimed you had the skills trained, shocking news incoming: Having the skills trained to near max returns the drugs to their original strength, and now they can last almost 2 hours.

Literally, without checking any facts, you simply made up something to complain about, which normally is ok, but your information that your basing it off of is completely false, which makes you ********.



Drugs weren't being used in the numbers and manner CCP wanted, they've been stating they wanted to make them more attractive to the general population, Im not sure if you've ever tried drug manufacturing, but its tedious, and generally is always performed at a loss after taking into account time, fuel, and everything else.

You are literally better off mining veldspar in empire than producing drugs. This should spike the prices on them as more and more people get into using them, which will make more people want to make them.

Low sec is the primary factory for drugs, so in this, CCP are increasing drug productions profitability, thus buffing lowsec.

Sooooo ... what's the deal with Nanite Control and Neurotoxin Recovery now? They were hella useful (and expensive) and I hope it doesn't turn out to be something useless/negligible/refunded SP

Looking forward to this change. Nice to have all the skills already, now just need to train them to 5.

They, by magic, turn into two new skills, Aloe. Nanobiology (additional +20% to booster duration per level) and Neurobiology (+5% booster effect per level).

Say you were used to Strong Drop. Its old bonus was 37%. Currently, on the test server, for me its 30%.....I have neurobiology 4, thats a 20% bonus to its strength, I have one level left to train that would put me at 35%.

Guess where that puts it?



Im dumb and you're claiming that with the current state of artillery you're rarely in danager of being alphad?



See above, the penalties were stupid, if I'm trying to active shield tank the last thing I need is less buffer to work with. Calling me dumb then posting this nonsense doesn't make you look any better.



So basically, you've not personally tried the test server version out, you just read something that somebody else posted then came and posted a lot of :words: about it, all of which are based on false assumptions or an incomplete understanding of the current game environment.

Then you called me dumb.


I see.

This is in no way a buff to lowsec, or for booster manufacturing.

With lack of side effects, there will literally be no reason not to use Strong boosters, all the time. The problem with this - Strong BPC's are currently only available in 8 specific constellations, owned and protected by 8 alliances. Strong BPC's rarely make it to the general market, as most alliances consume the entire quantity internally.

By removing side effects, market demand will increase, as will the prices, and the 8 Alliances who own the sources will enjoy their isk fountains.

Without increasing the availability of booster materials, this fix will not make boosters more widely available to the general public, booster rarity at this point is due to there being a bottleneck at the raw material level. Already booster manufacturers are exhausting all available sites where blueprints are dropped.

All I see happening with this is demand for standard / improved falling, and strong skyrocketing, and nullsec Alliances profiting. Boosters will become an ultra-expensive commodity, where prices for Strong varieties will rival the hull cost of the ship you want to use it in.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how this makes boosters more public-friendly at all.

Any of us who actually use boosters know that the side effects didn't need to be removed to begin with, they were quite manageable in their current state.

Grath, I'll just assume that your response was a sarcastic troll attempt. EHP is basically irrelevant for active tankers, if you're boosting is keeping you alive, a 30% boost increase is absolutely worth sacrificing 30% raw armor value.

The art to booster use has always been careful pairing of ship type and side effect possibility, like cheese and wine. If you don't believe me, consider using Mindflood on a Vagabond - You could be hit by all the side effects and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Every booster has its ship worth using it on, side effects not withstanding.

Great post, no strong booster left in Jita or Rens

time will tell i guess

This explains why I've made like 3 billion in 2 days.

*evil laugh*

ps. <3 Grath Telkin

LOL. I know how often they are found in lowsec on the market, because I'm one of the ones who puts them there. I know how often BPC's appear in Jita, cause I'm one of the buyers. No real mysteries there. I'm saying compared to most items traded on the market, the volume is considerably low. Most of the time there isn't even one of each type of strong BPC on the market at any given time. Certain BPC's, like Strong Mindflood, are almost nonexistent on contracts.

This indicates one of two things - either Sov owners use the resources for themselves (visit the constellations - Its easy to locate the meth lab POS's and see who owns them) or, they're being ninja farmed by the same people who make them into the final product (and do so because its profitable). Either way, there isn't a surplus of the raw components needed to manufacture boosters. And besides - lets assume you are right and Alliances don't farm their LADAR sites because they "aren't profitable" . Do you really think they 'll continue to look the other way once the market shifts?

Prices will spike as demand surpasses supply. If even the lesser boosters remain affordable, they will simply become another thing you have to have to be truly competitive (like faction ammo or an off-grid ganglink alt). It will no longer become about whether you choose to use boosters, but which quality you can afford. Boosters will have been downgraded to a pay-to-win element of PvP much akin to Officer Mods.

I love that CCP is looking into boosters and how they're used, but I don't understand the rush to "fix" them to just to change something. Sure, guys like me will make a killing in the short term, but the game as a whole will have lost something very EvE-like (everything should have its risks). There are a lot of cool balancing ideas and other ways to develop the feature rather than just arbitrarily gutting them of penalties.