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Who else doesn't purchase anything from CCP to protest their immaturity?
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#21 - 2013-09-28 07:06:53 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
It's a good thing you allow us to buy PLEX in game. No one with a moral compass at all would hand you a dollar of theirs.


I like the part where you don't realize buying PLEX in game gives CCP more money than just paying for your account.


CCP is getting money before PLEXes appear on the market.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-28 07:08:30 UTC
There is a distinct albeit somewhat subtle difference between tolerating activities and encouraging them. CCP built an environment that does tolerate higher levels of abuse than many others but they do have limits on that.

A great deal of this information is quite apparent to gamers without a lot of researching - asking will get you info on this starting out.

For those with serious/suicidal depression issues - they do not belong playing in such on-line environments. Flat out - PvP centric games are the most abusive types of games on the market.

Not everything should require soft padding and "comfort" for all interested in participating in those activities. Going bungie jumping as an bilateral amputee isn't all that bright and being suicidally depressed going into a PvP on-line game world - again, not something one should look at without *YOUR* compensating for the environment you are entering.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#23 - 2013-09-28 08:17:35 UTC
I really don't get CCP politics and its relation to server population. The only solid correlation I have ever seen was Incarna. Thats it. No rhyme or reason to the amount of people playing vs. what they say or do.

CCP has been doing great lately and I see that activity is way down. GTA is the biggest video game ever but it wasn't released until the 17th of this month, so the decline prior to that is clearly unrelated.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

People just come and go as they please. I used to get pissed at the Goons for what I thought was griefing too many noobs into quitting. But the only thing in five years I have seen definitively make people rage was Incarna.

So give them your money or don't. As mentioned, buying a PLEX is like handing them cash. The reason I use it is my wife would twist my nuts off if I had spent $2000+ of my own cash on this game (which is half hers due to the binary nature of marriage). Not so much to do with morales and such.

Vote with your dollar.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-09-28 09:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Andracin
EVE is a great game because of the ability to gank, scam and generally be as evil as you like as long as you don't blow up first day players in 24 starting systems. If anything CCP has slowly been moving away from this foundation toward a more cuddly carebear as evidenced by their ToS changes, but thats not the EVE I've played for years.

For every scammer/ganker (and I do participate in ganks and scams) there is a counter to keep from being ganked and scammed. Not taking advantage of the mechanics afforded to you is called Darwin's Law. If you sit AFK in a hulk with a faction shield booster on not aligned to anything get in line with the lemmings and dodo birds. If you fly a mission battleship worth more than a super carrier, you can jump to the head of the line. As one wise poster once said, "you can't patch stupid".

For every whine change implemented to make the game more friendly, safe, and easy CCP will loose both their core player base and the person who did proposed the change. People who want a friendly atmosphere will never be satisfied no matter how many concessions they are given. If you don't believe me go ask Sony....they changed SWG to cater to the vocal minority and totally gutted their core player base, the whiners left and all they had was a broken empty game.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-09-28 09:12:10 UTC
I'll protest your immaturity by buying a few GTCs...
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2013-09-28 09:27:19 UTC
Andracin wrote:
EVE is a great game because of the ability to gank, scam and generally be as evil as you like as long as you don't blow up first day players in 24 starting systems. If anything CCP has slowly been moving away from this foundation toward a more cuddly carebear as evidenced by their ToS changes, but thats not the EVE I've played for years.

For every scammer/ganker (and I do participate in ganks and scams) there is a counter to keep from being ganked and scammed. Not taking advantage of the mechanics afforded to you is called Darwin's Law. If you sit AFK in a hulk with a faction shield booster on not aligned to anything get in line with the lemmings and dodo birds. If you fly a mission battleship worth more than a super carrier, you can jump to the head of the line. As one wise poster once said, "you can't patch stupid".

For every whine change implemented to make the game more friendly, safe, and easy CCP will loose both their core player base and the person who did proposed the change. People who want a friendly atmosphere will never be satisfied no matter how many concessions they are given. If you don't believe me go ask Sony....they changed SWG to cater to the vocal minority and totally gutted their core player base, the whiners left and all they had was a broken empty game.


Not entirely true. If you tank your mining barge as the current fittings permit, you can & will still be ganked by someone for LOLs. And mining for hours yet expecting a split second twitch response to 'maybe' be able to get to warp speed before you get ganked is unreasonable, being you can't sit aligned at speed due to range issues. So it's going to take a few seconds to get speed up.

Yes, there is stupid. Some of it is you also, failing to read anything CCP has explained about some things. But some of the ganking out there is real griefing. Some of the harrassment is purely to harrass. Not 'Emergent game play' but outright being a pure jerk just to make someone else quit the game. The trouble is telling the two apart as they are almost identical behaviour visually, since we don't brain scan the person behind the keyboard.
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-09-28 10:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Digits Kho
grr goons
flakeys
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-09-28 10:07:37 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
My accounts:

3 days left
10 days left
6 days left

and still one with a few weeks.

So -4 Smile **** you CCP, **** your t2 bpo lotteries and **** you for being absolutely head over heels in your own ****.


Just subbed my 4 accounts for a year .... just to keep the average on track .. P

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-09-28 10:10:20 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
I'm gonna bump this but for a specific reason.

I made this thread before I was aware of the SOMER Blink fiasco. Think about that for a moment. Nearly everything I'm saying in the OP is being repeated by dozens of people in the community on a daily basis since this SOMER incident.

What does that tell you, CCP? Someone makes all these negative claims about you. Then AFTER these claims are made, you go and commit actions which cause the rest of the community to more or less agree with me here.

How ridiculous, lol.



That they got a lot of whining customers?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#30 - 2013-09-28 11:37:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Khasei
Respect. Cool

I really do love EVE, but am somewhat confused at the number of players that play the game or have for years that STILL fail to recognize how this world actually operates.

In a way it is similar to the person that has never been in jail and once there facing the "new rules" for that world, fails to adopt to the setting relying on the "old rules" of the free world population that is not incarcerated.

In there this can lead to a power rapeage and other unsavory experiences that could have been mostly avoided via adaptation to the surroundings.


Carry on.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-09-28 12:16:21 UTC
I actively refuse to give CCP money due to the lack of content/iteration in wormhole space and their failure to release any worthwhile WIS/avatar gameplay.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-09-28 13:10:28 UTC
As long as:
-you older than a week in this game.
-you know CCP sells a game called "JerkingPeopleOnline"
-you play it willingly.
Please, can you tell me, who's immature now?
As long people take part of this, is absolutely CCP's problem how they handle their customers.
Whine over please. Lol
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2013-09-28 13:13:04 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
As title states, who else does this? I think it would be good to get an idea of how much $$$ they might lose from their immaturity. They have lost $120 from me so far, I'm the type that pours money into MMOs but I refuse to support children.

This company basically promotes griefing and trolling. They IP ban people for online stalking, but then temp ban people for trying to rally the community behind them in promoting the suicide of a depressed player.

Consider this scenario: Some jerk won't stop lamenting a player with insults because he has no empathy and enjoy the reaction. The person being insulted gets very upset over time and starts "harassing" the bully to get back at him. CCP bans the victim and allows the bully to carry on.

The amount of times I have seen such vile, horrible unwarranted things said in game... only to report it... only to see that player still active with no consequence. The ToS is a joke, quite honestly. They pick and choose what they want to enforce. The result is some people get IP banned for standing up for what they think is right, while others get no ban at all for turning on their game for the sole purpose of bullying people and laughing as they get upset.

Think about this CCP. You can't deny you indirectly promote online bullying by acting in this way. It's a good thing you allow us to buy PLEX in game. No one with a moral compass at all would hand you a dollar of theirs.

My calculations state I would have coughed up just over $200 by the end of the year. Your loss and I hope others feel the same way as I do and add to that loss.


Hi

you are an idiot and it would be our pleasure to see you go forever.

But you're not so stupid that you wouldn't already know this, hence this thread.

.
Gel Musana
LOL a Sticky Situation
#34 - 2013-09-28 14:28:59 UTC
It's not your game, you are nobody here. Pay up and stick to ToS or just stop playing. Simple.

Ideology  s-h-i-t  list https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Gel%20Musana
Rekon X
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-10-01 13:59:55 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
It's a good thing you allow us to buy PLEX in game. No one with a moral compass at all would hand you a dollar of theirs.


I like the part where you don't realize buying PLEX in game gives CCP more money than just paying for your account.


12.50 each amazon.com

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Rekon X
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-10-01 14:11:36 UTC
Gel Musana wrote:
It's not your game, you are nobody here. Pay up and stick to ToS or just stop playing. Simple.


Then, there are those ^^ who cry when someone doesn't want to play with them anymore.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Velicitia
XS Tech
#37 - 2013-10-01 14:20:04 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

being you can't sit aligned at speed...



hint

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-10-01 14:40:15 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Think about this CCP. You can't deny you indirectly promote online bullying by acting in this way. It's a good thing you allow us to buy PLEX in game. No one with a moral compass at all would hand you a dollar of theirs.


But you're happy to buy the PLEX the immoral people paid actual money for, eh? You know, if you didn't buy the PLEX from them, they wouldn't buy the PLEX from CCP?

Anyway, as I said in your last whine thread that you then tried to roll back:

Quote:
Competitive game. Game has rules. Play within the rules is valid. If you're the terrorists in Counter Strike you aren't an evil psychopath. You're a guy playing a game. Cops and Robbers would be no fun without the Robbers.

Awoxing, ganking, pirating, are all part of Eve the game and should cause you no more pain than rounding Free Parking and watching your 10yr old daughter purchase hotels to go on Boardwalk and Park Place. If being cleaned out on Boardwalk doesn't upset you to the point of raging IRL, then watching your Orca explode to the guy you invited to corp 10min ago shouldn't either. If it does make you rage, then possibly competitive games are not your thing. Maybe try a nice game of Shoots and Ladders.


If you want a happy funtime space game, I recommend Star Trek Online. Its even F2P. Leave us this one game, in all the world of MMOs, that allows people actual freedom (to an extent) to make of the game what they will.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-10-01 15:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Maliandra wrote:
As title states, who else does this? I think it would be good to get an idea of how much $$$ they might lose from their immaturity. They have lost $120 from me so far, I'm the type that pours money into MMOs but I refuse to support children.

This company basically promotes griefing and trolling. They IP ban people for online stalking, but then temp ban people for trying to rally the community behind them in promoting the suicide of a depressed player.

Consider this scenario: Some jerk won't stop lamenting a player with insults because he has no empathy and enjoy the reaction. The person being insulted gets very upset over time and starts "harassing" the bully to get back at him. CCP bans the victim and allows the bully to carry on.

The amount of times I have seen such vile, horrible unwarranted things said in game... only to report it... only to see that player still active with no consequence. The ToS is a joke, quite honestly. They pick and choose what they want to enforce. The result is some people get IP banned for standing up for what they think is right, while others get no ban at all for turning on their game for the sole purpose of bullying people and laughing as they get upset.

Think about this CCP. You can't deny you indirectly promote online bullying by acting in this way. It's a good thing you allow us to buy PLEX in game. No one with a moral compass at all would hand you a dollar of theirs.

My calculations state I would have coughed up just over $200 by the end of the year. Your loss and I hope others feel the same way as I do and add to that loss.

Sorry to break it to you but Dollars are not worth that much any more here in Europe...Hell they are not even worth much in the US as it seems...you should probably invest your money in PLEX...that one still rises :-)
Try a harder currency,...

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2013-10-01 15:31:20 UTC
Quote:
This company basically promotes griefing and trolling.


By your definition, yes. EVE was created to recreate the environment of Ultima Online pre Trammel. That being, as much player freedom as possible.

I would ask you why, if you clearly hate this game, that you continue to play it. Because people like me, and Malcom, and whoever you might be bitching about now, are not going anywhere. This game is for everyone who liked UO the way it was. This game is for people who like to have the freedom to play however we please. This game is for us.

It's not for you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
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