EVE New Citizens Q&A

Well, I've been playing 3 weeks now, and out of the thousands of games I have ever played, I'm more hyped about Eve, than anything else I've ever played. Thought I'd make an introduction, because I plan on being around for a good long time, and would like to be involved in the forums as well.

First impression: I don't like the goons. I disagree with their philosophy part and parcel. I'll never be a griefer, or a pirate, or a scammer. However, without them I don't think I would even care to play this game. So you'll never hear the whiny pleas to stop them coming from me.

Noob QA. Here's what I'm doing, and what I want to do. Let me know why I'm wrong.

-Joined a brand new small player Corp.
-Flying Amarr, doing lvl 3's in a Harby, skilling up so I can fit it with more than dental floss.
-Plan to PVE for income for the foreseeable future, and eventually run mining op PVP protection detail for my corp

-I have aspirations of one day starting a true, scammless, investment bank....I see no reason why it couldn't be done honestly, and no reason why it couldn't be a great resource to everyone involved. It's a long way down the road, but I think it could be awesome.

Good to meet all of you.
-Bleedblue

Welcome to this terrific world!

BTW, no plan can be wrong, as long as you are having fun and you get to work with a team of people you like.

It is good that you are starting out with the attitude that Goons, Pandemic Legion, Drone Russian Federation, and all of the other bad boys and pirates are part of the game and add spice to whatever you do or wherever you go!

Have fun and fly smart!

Thanks for the welcome, CCP Navigator, but the OP is Roark BleedBlue.

Bah! The Armageddon is where TRUE PvE pwnage is at. It's got a damage bonus, 125m³ drone bandwidth, and 8 low slots for triple damage mods and still have room left over for a 4-5 slot tank. Just grab a cap booster and other cap mods and make sure your cargohold is full of 800s and you are good to mow through Sansha and Blood Raider missions faster than you've ever done before!

The Rigor Raven can't even compete when it comes to Amarr missions.

A little unsure on a complete frame of reference, here, so I may be off base. Not everything is a scam. In fact, far from that is the truth. There are, however, a lot of people that are so terrified of being scammed they won't look at contracts .. won't post buy orders .. won't even accept offers for help because they think it's a trick. Don't be too risk adverse, there are many opportunities out there for the keen of eye and wit. Just rationalise it like you would in real life:

1) What do I stand to gain?
2) What would I lose?
3) Is the risk : reward worth it?

In many cases, things are either 100% safe or 100% scam (it's either a WTB contract listed as a WTS contract, or it isn't). Learning about the game mechanics will allow you to see which is which.

If your corp mates are terribly risk adverse, I suggest looking elsewhere, or at least thinking about it. You'll lose a lot of the "eve experience" if you never expose yourself to risk, and the potential awards they entail.

Some people are honest and want to play accordingly.

For small example: Few days ago I was trading with item which cost around 185 mil ISK. Other trader made mistake and sold his item for me at 18.5 mil ISK (missed one zero from price). You would probably say "keep it", but I sent evemail offering to sell it back for 20 mil (sending evemail cost 1 mil CSPA charge).

What does that mean?

If (as I suspect) it means you won't gank other players then the chances are you will - and you'll enjoy it because its risk-free.

If it means you are carrying your RL morality into the game, my advice is don't. I tried that once upon a time (2003 with RKK) and it'll limit your options in Eve to a small subset of activities.

Eve is a PvP game all the way down to mining.

Enjoy the game but a bank? Heh you have no chance at all. None.

There have been some people who've tried to set up investments. Some of that has worked better than others.

The thing is - IRL - if you're a Bernie Madoff and you scam your clients out of billions - you do at least eventually go to jail - and the authorities do make a real effort to recover the funds of your victims from your estate. They may not get it all back - but you'll be in jail forever and they will get something.

Not in EVE.

Go to the Crime & Punishment forum - and look at the people bragging about all the scams they've pulled off. Look at the Goons and BOB. Both took major hits through internal treachery. And they of course are just a couple of high profile cases. There have been any number of others.

Nothing is done to people who commit scams. It's part of the game. Virtually nothing is done to pirates and gankers. It's part of the game.

Reputation? So what? You get another character and give all the money to them. Reputation only has meaning for that character - and any others on the same account if you ever gave your full API to anyone. Create a new account - and no one but CCP Billing will ever know it belongs to the same person.

Anyone who would invest their money with anything run by another player is taking a considerable risk.

The only guarantee you can give is your word - which is meaningless.


Now ... that said ... the only way I can think of where you could pull something like that off - was to play this game for YEARS and create a reputation such that people will trust you.

Chribba is the only such person I know of with that good a reputation. There may well be some others - but I've not heard of them - and people having heard of you is essential to your function. No one can trust you - if they don't know who you are.


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The Apoc is absolutely crap at missions, it's easy to use and all that but the dps is on par with a Raven (I guess that's why people agree to it, they're used to Raven dps). Properly fitted Abaddon does some 50% more dps at similar ranges.

Just a tad of advice for the OP - Scams around here are like the flu, the more exposed to them you are, the stronger your immunity, you dont need to fall for the scam, just becoming aware of one and understanding how it works helps to avoid them in the future.

This in turn allows you to cut through the nonsense and to learn to interact more with the people around here - a good a reason to hang around as any.