Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the last three posts and I'll add in the issue of Malcanis' Law:



What is to stop the larger fleet from fitting these types of modules and benefiting even more? The older players also have better skills for fitting (Weapons Upgrades 5, Advanced Weapons Upgrades 5, along with other support skills). Thus you could have an entire fleet of 256 people with these hybrid modules.

So, not supported.

Well more people shown they struggle with the cause and effect. Or lack understand to apply to what was said. CCP already is releasing a crude version of what i was proposing it seems =(. So each person who suggested it was pointless.... take a look at the next expansion and lick my nu#*@.

As I got to thinking I realized what if cynos had something that decreased sig radius of all ships in the immediate area of it being lit. Exponential decrease in change would occur with respect to ship size. Take a carrier or Jump frieghter would have no sig radius change so a cyno drop can result in instant capture and frig to cruiser having a massive sig radius change where targeting time is so long that they may escape ( JUST near the cyno ). Someone suggested the cyno distruption being something that placed the cyno 150km away from target spot. That would be called constructive thinking unlike the rest of you.

Again if you fail to understand and think faction warfare lowsec is how it is everywhere else then do not post any response. I think faction warfare lowsec is great and just fine, but im not going to go through and name off every region where things seem fine, nor am i going to go through and try and provide context of the issue to those that announce they are clueless.

@kaarous The idea was simple this. It is an enhanced version of why you cannot use a stargate once you engage. Thought that was just some random game mechanic? Provides a fleet a place to escape if the fight doesnt look fair.... and guess what it isnt a perfect escape mechanic... nor is what im trying to talk about despite people being stupid and reading it that way. If a fight is known to be reliably-even, then people will be willing to lose ships. Even if anyone could run away at any time fleets will want to push it. If two fleets are unable to kill anyone and either just runs away.... who cares. Not going to let carebears dictate a good mechanic change for better pvp for pvpers. It is all in the the secondary effect that is the the target effect. That AGAIN being to get a fight more likely to happen. My ideas on small fleets being able to get free of traditional traps is the same line of thought that the devs are aiming for. And it is the right one.

I want people to weigh the roles of cynos,bubbles, and points effects and reason counters that is better than a 100% jam. Think about ship class dynamics. If more advanced methods of counter-interdiction / counter blobing are not put in then crude ones will be!

LOOK at the expansion, where they are offering small gangs the ability to take on bigger groups. If you refuse to see im making valid points you'll be making a mistake. You will be ignoring this expansion having any valid uses. YES FCs need to research, bait, and plan. If you can't assume I get that and seeing into the real point then your being a noob. Pointing out baiting is legit, however baiting is not everyone's ideal and it will be removed as the most common option over time. "Front line Wars" will increasingly ( dec or not ) become more popular exercised.

Again look at what this next expansion deals with and still try and tell me my focus on improving small gangs is invalid... go on say i didnt call it

Totally untrue. The game mechanics have 100% control over what humans are able to do in the game. Evaluating it and predicting it is real... cant see that?.... okay.

That is some pretty weak tea. You are appealing to some sort of space e-honor for a valid objection to your proposal.

Still not supported.

Sure PvPers like to PvP, that is a truism, and tells us very little. It is not a fact though that because of the truism that PvPers like to PvP that they'll engage in fights willy nilly. They will evaluate their chances and may decide not to engage if the odds are too much against them. So where you see hesitation, I see it as assessing the tactical situation and then deciding on the correct course of action.

For example, if an FC takes a fleet out to do something™ and on the way back a cyno goes up as they are landing on a gate the FC may initially order the fleet to align out in preperation to warp off. But then the FC notes that the fleet landing on grid is a kitchen sink fleet and likely a mish-mash of shield and armor--i.e. the logistics will be a mess...if they even have any. The FC realizing he has a superior logistics capability then orders his fleet to anchor up and starts calling primaries. But then the hostile fleet, despite being bubbled warp off. Ahhh the one ship they did kill shows one of these hybrid modules. This happens a few more times. Evenutally the FC actually has his guys first hold on the gate till the hostile start shooting, then jump through the gate and keep on heading for home. Why engage a bunch of guys you know you can't hold down?

So yeah, the mish-mash fleet might be more inclined to fight, but then the other FC decides not to engage as its a waste of time.

So your claims of more fleet engagements and more kills is dubious, IMO. How can I kill somebody if they can simply run away if they are starting to lose?

Still not supported.

You may not be guilty of putting words in other people's mouths, but damn you sure did miss the point I was making about the "running away" comment. I was responding to the claim of getting more kills. Getting more kills will be hard if you can tackle the bastards. You know that. I know that. That is the whole point of tackle modules. But these suggestions render those modules less useful.

Oh, and who is often tackle in gangs and fleets? Why the new people. The people who do have t2 large guns, WU 5, let alone AWU 5. So they can get in the main line fleet doctrine ships, so they get in the tackle ships. So this is could very well be a partial nerf to new players getting into PvP.



Thank you for the pompous and arrogant lecture, Dad.

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No, your ******** suggestion has not been introduced or even considered, bubble-immune interceptors are introduced for more efficient tackling (opposite of your ******** idea), and mobile cyno jammers are a tactical tool just as available to hotdroppers as anyone else.

There still isn't a problem.

You really like writing gigantic blocks of text don't you?

Did I use the word impossible? No. I said it would make tackling more difficult. The suggestions is light on details. All we get is that tackle modules will be less effective, which is precisely what I said as well. Here this is from the OP:



The clear intent is to make it easier for a fleet/gang to run away. A fleet that can run away will clearly lose less ships than one that can't. Even if it doesn't always work, it will allow some gangs/fleets or members of gangs and fleets to warp when they otherwise would not. That is not going to produce more kills. Maybe there will be a big enough increase in engagements that it will offset that effect, but even that I argue is a dubious claim. If you suspect the other side has these modules fit, then you might not even bother to engage.

Try reading my post again.