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EWAR frigs almost as good as recons? inties bubble immunity? dictors?

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Mole Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-27 06:57:18 UTC
badass!

this is going to be kewl as hell.
i have a nice corpi setup sentinnel which is going to get sick range, and a hyena with 30+km webs?
i wonder what they will do with the kitsune? more powerful jammers? longer range?

and a long point gallente frig? ouch!

t2 frig gangs are going to get REALLY fun REALLY fast (more so than they are now).

i can remember several conversations complaining that the frigate fleets we OP because we drained their phoon dry or their redeemer and killed em. now, with recon range frigs...wow!

just wow!
i thought i was excited about marauders...this is close to that excitement level or more.
i love my maladiction and to know i can fly uninhibited through null sec and warp at 19.44 AU (2 rigs)? add that to the warp changes and itll be unstoppable. not a large cargo bay, but when the item absolutely has to get out and u dont have a cyno chain...this will be the next best thing.
or...for flanking. yeah, flanking.

or scouting enemy poses and checking to see if your syphon is sucking out moon mins.
oooo yeah.
Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-09-27 09:22:09 UTC
Do you need a tissue?
Mole Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-09-27 09:30:02 UTC
Minty Aroma wrote:
Do you need a tissue?

why would i need a tissue?

i am seeing 50 new ways to blow you up and you're offering ME a tissue?
i dont get it.
im going to go out on a limb and guess you pulled the gerbil off its wheel between you ears and stuck it else where.
i could be wrong...

Ix Method
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-09-27 10:27:25 UTC
You are.

Travelling at the speed of love.

Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-27 11:14:57 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:
Minty Aroma wrote:
Do you need a tissue?

why would i need a tissue?



Because this is about analogous to your post


Mole Guy wrote:
fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap


Lol
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#6 - 2013-09-27 13:25:04 UTC
EAS as good as recons seems excessive to me at a fraction of the price and training time.

also webs and points on recons are overly bonused as they are and need a nerf really.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Mole Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-09-27 14:53:07 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
EAS as good as recons seems excessive to me at a fraction of the price and training time.

also webs and points on recons are overly bonused as they are and need a nerf really.

you dont get the cloaking side, they are still frigs, and they are *almost* as good..
we will see their exact range and whatnot shortly..=)
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-09-27 14:58:12 UTC
EAF & Inty both at level 5, I am ready!Big smile

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-09-27 15:14:26 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
EAS as good as recons seems excessive to me at a fraction of the price and training time.

also webs and points on recons are overly bonused as they are and need a nerf really.


Well, at present they have the durability of wet tissue paper and are not particularly evasive, so unless they buff some aspect of their survivability, EAF still going to be a relatively niche class.
Mole Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-09-27 15:21:16 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
EAS as good as recons seems excessive to me at a fraction of the price and training time.

also webs and points on recons are overly bonused as they are and need a nerf really.


Well, at present they have the durability of wet tissue paper and are not particularly evasive, so unless they buff some aspect of their survivability, EAF still going to be a relatively niche class.

agreed.
think of this though, a kitsune and a hyena sitting on a gate. the kitsune is orbiting and the hyena is sitting right in the middle with 2 webs and a point. as soon as someone decloaks, the hyena points and dual webs, plus mwd's around in orbit. the kitsune, not to be out done, hits with racial jammers and shuts em down.
dps takes over and no one gets a shot on the frigs.
or the neuting/tracking disruption of the sentinnel orbiting and killin cap. i run 2 neuts and a nos on my sentinnel plus burned and whatnot. with 2 scripted tracking disruptors, they cant hit crap!

when the balance of power is in your favor (your gate camp, your roam), then its going to be a killer ship. not so much for a solo pvp roam..=)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2013-09-27 15:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I'm looking forward to the changes, although I'm a bit concerned about Interceptors sporting cyno's... seems like a bit too perfect a tool to circumvent the new one use cyno jammer... although the range on the cyno jammer might mitigate that to a degree. I suppose the size of the interceptor cargo bay will have some impact on that as well.

Of course, if your cargo bay is tiny on a ceptor, that will push people to bring more than just ceptors on a frigate roam... which is a good thing.

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Mole Guy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-09-27 15:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mole Guy
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the changes, although I'm a bit concerned about Interceptors sporting cyno's... seems like a bit too perfect a tool to circumvent the new one use cyno jammer... although the range on the cyno jammer might mitigate that to a degree. I suppose the size of the interceptor cargo bay will have some impact on that as well.

Of course, if your cargo bay is tiny on a ceptor, that will push people to bring more than just ceptors on a frigate roam... which is a good thing.


i dunno if i would use a cyno on a ceptor. what do we do when we see cyno's? warp to them and pop em. thats a pricy cyno ship.

i was chatting the guys last night about the new cyno jammer.
having a hic on stand by with a very fast inty would be ugly. when ever someone jumps in, they have to be out of warp range if the new jammer is in place. once we see the cyno go up, the inty burns away from the tower in the direction opposite of the cyno.
once he gets 80k out, the hic warps to him and lights his bubble. the incoming cap fleet gets pulled off the pos and out to 80k (if caps are affected by bubbles like everyone else). now, you have a cap fleet sitting out of range for anything. they have to align, warp out, realign and come back in.
if u have a scout on them, or a prober, you can keep moving the hic or dictor bubble to drag them off of the pos and away from you...lol

if it worked, it would be hilarious!
oh wait...whats that? have bombers on stand by? yes, i love the way you think. since they just jumped in and havent had the chance to cap up, 40 bombers with void should really put a hurtin on some capital cap...and since we set this all up, we are fit for range and start picking them off (since they cant rep, cant warp, cant jump, cant anything). on that note, we could deploy a mobile bubble and trap all the caps. just rr the shyt out of it so they dont kill it and their caps are ours.. =)
siege dreads hitting non-repping carriers and other dreads should make short work of em...
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-09-27 16:40:26 UTC
EAFs look to be replacing recons for many purposes; combat recons will need a bit more tank to remain viable.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#14 - 2013-09-27 16:57:43 UTC
Moved thread to ships and modules.

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Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#15 - 2013-09-27 17:29:43 UTC
EAS vs. Recon-

Pros:
Faster.
Smaller.
Faster lock time.
Cheaper.

Cons:
Less EHP
Less Mids for Ewar.
Less Firepower.

It will work itself out just fine.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2013-09-27 18:42:36 UTC

Interdiction Nullfied Interceptors are a terrible idea:

These ships can already travel fairly safely through nullsec. Pop through a gate into a bubble? Power back to gate or burn out. This will get the inty safe 90% of the time. If that's not good enough, use a covops or use a Nullified t3. I see no reason to make inties nullified too.

Furthermore, this means that you can't warp your inties into that bubble prior to your fleet to get tackle, because they won't actually land in the bubble.

Finally, fleet inties are very fast, and generally setting up drag bubbles to catch them is one of the most common methods to kill them. This destroys that tactical option.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=281631
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#17 - 2013-09-27 19:01:45 UTC
Dual Prop Taranis in null just got *that* much better. Can't wait Big smile

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2013-09-27 19:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Dual Prop Taranis in null just got *that* much better. Can't wait Big smile


I love fighting in the Taranis, but I don't think giving it interdiction nullification will be all "that" much better.

Sure, you are no longer afraid of sabres cutting your roam short, but they aren't hard to deal with anyway (and are often good targets).

Really, this change just makes it so ill-prepared I-can't-deal-with-bubble morons can travel safely through nullsec! How is that a boon to the game?

*edit*

Actually, why go dual prop if inties are becoming nullified. Seriously, AB, Scram, Web rail or blaster ranis.... You simply warp through bubbles, and now you get total range control over other frigates once you get tackle. Furthermore, an AB taranis is agile enough to sling most kiting ships into web range to boot!
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#19 - 2013-09-28 15:44:16 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Dual Prop Taranis in null just got *that* much better. Can't wait Big smile


I love fighting in the Taranis, but I don't think giving it interdiction nullification will be all "that" much better.

Sure, you are no longer afraid of sabres cutting your roam short, but they aren't hard to deal with anyway (and are often good targets).

Really, this change just makes it so ill-prepared I-can't-deal-with-bubble morons can travel safely through nullsec! How is that a boon to the game?

*edit*

Actually, why go dual prop if inties are becoming nullified. Seriously, AB, Scram, Web rail or blaster ranis.... You simply warp through bubbles, and now you get total range control over other frigates once you get tackle. Furthermore, an AB taranis is agile enough to sling most kiting ships into web range to boot!

You raise many good points. My argument to your last one: Because nostalgia says yes.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Berendas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-09-28 18:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Berendas
I love my Kitsune, it's a complete bastard of a ship. 78km range jams with another ~48km falloff and with a strength per jammer higher than the Scorpion. All moving at 3km/s Cool


And that's before the changes...
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