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Armor Laser Pirate Faction Ship
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Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#1 - 2013-09-27 13:22:02 UTC
This a hole that I for one wish was filled,
an Armor laser pirate ship.
BUT WAIT we have the bhaalgorn I here you say....

Well that has sucky dps, currently the only options available to an amarr character are the Nightmare, which is shields.
Or a navy apoc that doesnt have the dps of pirate ships.
Or the abaddon that has a rubbish cap.
Also the amarr rats are sansha, making the nightmares shield tank pretty useless.

CCP please think about this and plug the gap you have left for the last few expansions.
Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#2 - 2013-09-27 13:43:52 UTC
So basically you want Amarr to be OP? Every ship has a drawback, as you listed. What's the problem? And what exactly do you want? A new hull? No thanks, I'd rather see the Bloodraider line get buffed (poor Cruor) to fill the hole as they generally underperform compared to other pirate factions though they make for GRRREAT fleet support. I'm happy with the SoE hulls, not sure we need any more at this point.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#3 - 2013-09-27 15:10:29 UTC
WTB cruor with 4 midslots

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#4 - 2013-09-27 15:13:07 UTC
Just fly your Apoc, Geddon and Abbadon and call it quits.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#5 - 2013-09-27 15:13:18 UTC
there's too many laser based pirate ships even the SOE will have the option to use lasers much like the gnosis can..
Blood raider line does need a good buff aswell as the sansha line

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Canaris Roshaak
Repercussus
#6 - 2013-09-27 15:13:48 UTC
Try the Navy Geddon.
Robbie Robot
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-27 15:50:02 UTC
Canaris Roshaak wrote:
Try the Navy Geddon.

The navy geddon is a wonderful ship, and not too expensive.

Is the OP expecting the damage potential of a blaster vindicator with void on a laser ship?

For the price of a bhaalgorn or nightmare, one can also buy a Paladin. The Paladin will out damage a nightmare that has a tank fitted.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#8 - 2013-09-28 13:45:57 UTC
Paladin is the ship you are looking for.

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#9 - 2013-09-28 13:51:51 UTC
SOE?
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#10 - 2013-09-28 13:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
Carniflex wrote:
Paladin is the ship you are looking for.


Exactly this(at least till the marauder changes, then your best option will be the NM).

Shield tanking is hardly a issue against sansha/blood with the NM, since it can kill them all very quick.

Edit: A proper flown Navy Apoc(mwd, 1150-1200 dps, sentry's) is actually very effective against sansha and blood and a lot of fun to fly.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-28 14:03:51 UTC
The Djego wrote:
Carniflex wrote:
Paladin is the ship you are looking for.


Exactly this(at least till the marauder changes, then your best option will be the NM).

Shield tanking is hardly a issue against sansha/blood with the NM, since it can kill them all very quick.

Edit: A proper flown Navy Apoc(mwd, 1150-1200 dps, sentry's) is actually very effective against sansha and blood and a lot of fun to fly.



This.. I use a tachyon nightmare for lvl 4 missions all the time..
I don't have any problem tanking them..
I have an em rig, 1em hard, 1 therm hard, and one invuln.
My therm is actually weaker than my em, and I blow sansha/blood out of the water.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#12 - 2013-09-28 14:46:43 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
SOE?


The new sisters of eve pirate ships

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-09-28 14:52:09 UTC
The Djego wrote:
Carniflex wrote:
Paladin is the ship you are looking for.


Exactly this(at least till the marauder changes, then your best option will be the NM).

Shield tanking is hardly a issue against sansha/blood with the NM, since it can kill them all very quick.

Edit: A proper flown Navy Apoc(mwd, 1150-1200 dps, sentry's) is actually very effective against sansha and blood and a lot of fun to fly.


The only way you're getting 1150-1200 dps from a Navy Apoc is with 4 heat sinks and 4 drone damage amplifiers fitted, at which point you're way better off with a regular Armageddon, which gets 1400dps with such a fit and better range.
Xionyxa
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-09-28 16:01:03 UTC
Pirate ships are pirate ships because they do something different,

Nightmare, Shields and lasers
Rattlesnake, sentries and cruise missiles
Bhaalgorn, lasers and neuts

Lasers and armor tank would be...............well an amarr ship.

What would be really cool though is a EoM pirate faction ship, an amarr style armor tank ship that high dps, long range but no tracking bonuses, kinetic/thermal damage (bonused for railguns) with the current look of the EoM Death Lord.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#15 - 2013-09-28 19:51:43 UTC
Xionyxa wrote:
Pirate ships are pirate ships because they do something different,

Nightmare, Shields and lasers
Rattlesnake, sentries and cruise missiles
Bhaalgorn, lasers and neuts

Lasers and armor tank would be...............well an amarr ship.

What would be really cool though is a EoM pirate faction ship, an amarr style armor tank ship that high dps, long range but no tracking bonuses, kinetic/thermal damage (bonused for railguns) with the current look of the EoM Death Lord.





I think that for EoM battleship fitting theme would be a armor tanked torpedo boat. They are kind of similar to Khanid in that regard. Armor tanked railgun/blaster boats niche is already quite well covered. Vindicatior, Mega to name the first two that pop into my mind. Given than Khanid dont have thir own BS hull it would be nice niche thing in there probably.

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bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#16 - 2013-09-28 22:01:01 UTC
Juan Thang wrote:

Also the amarr rats are sansha, making the nightmares shield tank pretty useless.



Ha...haha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#17 - 2013-09-28 22:04:41 UTC
EoM are shield-tanking, railgun & kinetic missile firing ships that happen to be based on Amarr hull designs. Imagine a Rokh wearing an Apocalypse suit.

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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-29 01:21:53 UTC
It would be a good idea to watch the coverage of Rubicon on twitch.tv before posting in F&I with any new ideas.