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DEVSWARM OP: CCP Should Give Goonswarm Trillions Of Isk Worth of Crap

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Novenas Heresy
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2013-09-27 08:25:18 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks.


This is a valid point. It was tales of Goon exploits that brought me to EvE, and 99% of the EvE related news articles I read involve Goons, don't worry that when I joined EvE I quickly developed less than admirable feelings for them. :P

Goons shouldn't get trillions of ISK, but it's not unreasonable for them to expect it if Blink do.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2013-09-27 08:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
I'm confused at the constant references in this thread to "Goons create content therefore we should get stuff for free". Exactly what content do Goons create or have created that is any different to what non-Goons create? I haven't noticed any.

If by "content" people mean the Goon self declared goals of exploiting mechanics, making EvE unpleasant for newbs, renting space and reducing conflicts by bluing anyone that pays rather than fights for systems then I disagree you earned anything or create anything.

If they mean Burn Jita and Hulkageddon we were doing that years ago. Copying old content sure, no creating new content.

Edit: not to say I agree with this CCP rubbish spawning ships and giving them to a player corp for free??? So they can give them away as prizes and make isk as profit? If CCP does this then the isk should go to CCP and ships given to players by CCP. Screw SB and Goons. No one should get isk for free.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-09-27 08:25:45 UTC
The amount of self-entitlement and butt hurt in this thread is amazing. Big smile
Maliandra
Doomheim
#204 - 2013-09-27 08:29:45 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.

People like you are so sad, lol.

Why can't you just enjoy your part of the game and let others enjoy there part?

All you people have some serious RL issues to work out. This alliance is crap, hi-sec miners are poons, blah blah blah.... what happened in the lives of you people to make you like this?

You have no idea how abnormal this kind of mentality is to those of us "normals" looking in from the outside.
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#205 - 2013-09-27 08:32:11 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Stuff I didn't read

Just wanted to say a genuine good luck.
Ayures
Perkone
Caldari State
#206 - 2013-09-27 08:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayures
ITT, CFC posting CTA.

(Not that I disagree at all with the OP's main point.)
Prince Kobol
#207 - 2013-09-27 09:16:06 UTC
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
On you point of your alliance gaining freebies is just stupid. You stand there beating your chest saying we are this we are that and we deserve free stuff is quite hilarious. You dont deserve anything.
You guys have enough space and enough isk already.

CCP should be giving the ships to the big lottery or run a lottery themselves. Like the old T2 bpo lotteries

his point is that giving hundreds of billions of ISK to an arbitrary player run operation is dumb as hell and smacks of dev favoritism, he isn't actually expecting CCP to give goonswarm billions of ISK as well


Yet CCP has said it wants to do more in helping 3rd Party sites.

Somerblink did a great job in sponsoring teams in the New Eden Open to the tune of 320billion isk.

I have yet to see the goons or any other alliances help out events in that way.

Yes goonies do provide content, but only to benefit themselves.
Prince Kobol
#208 - 2013-09-27 09:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Weaselior wrote:
We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.



Yes you do I for one are glad that you do.

However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event.
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding
#209 - 2013-09-27 09:25:26 UTC
Weynard wrote:
I could not agree more. The Goons have brought much more to EVE than SOMER ever could. SOMER doesn't bring new players to the table, they just entertain existing ones. Goonswarm deserves these tokens of blatant arbitrary favoritism as much as SOMER, if not more!

On a more serious note- if Weaselior is unsucessful with this thorough and logical request, whichever CCP employee thought this was a good idea deserves a t20-like whipping.


I will take issue with your casual dismissal of the benefits that goonswarm has given the community. It is a serious note.

We can thank the Mittani personally for his devoted service as CSM President, and his intervention in the last great CCP crisis when he was rushed to Iceland to end microtransactions and get ship spinning back.

I would like to personally thank Goonswarm for sponsoring of hulkageddon, leading directly to stronger mining barges for my highsec pubelord play, and ultimately, (and incidentally, not ironically at all) the end of hulkageddon.

I do believe a goon member wrote EveMon, a critical tool in planning my highsec roid destruction.

And we can thank goonswarm for taking a stand against the last player group to get free bling from CCP.

And we thank you again for taking a stand here, with this dripping sarcasm.

Thank you.
Sirane Elrek
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2013-09-27 09:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sirane Elrek
Prince Kobol wrote:
However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event.

is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know

E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site)
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#211 - 2013-09-27 09:41:12 UTC
Klyith wrote:
And in case anyone has reservations over who in Goonswarm would be trustworthy enough: Solo Drakban

*Runs a fansite that supports thousands of players
*An integral part of Eve's longest-running Secret Santa program
*Trusted every year with up to $10,000 in real money donations, so he won't be tempted by a piddling trillion isk worth of ships

*Has excellent taste in fine Scotch


I was doubting your recommendation up untill the last entry... and then you had me. Bear
Prince Kobol
#212 - 2013-09-27 09:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event.

is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know

E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site)



Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something.

I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did.

Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain.

It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament.

Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this?
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#213 - 2013-09-27 09:42:53 UTC
Abernie wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?


I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM.

Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. Idea


I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say.
Sirane Elrek
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2013-09-27 09:50:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this?

See the prominent "Buy GTCs through blink" banner on the right?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#215 - 2013-09-27 09:55:16 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
The amount of self-entitlement and butt hurt in this thread is amazing. Big smile


As are the numbers of people who completely miss the point Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#216 - 2013-09-27 09:56:15 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Abernie wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?


I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM.

Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. Idea


I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say.



We were very specifically not asked for advice on whether or not this was a good idea.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#217 - 2013-09-27 10:00:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Abernie wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
So a repeat of T20 is OK if CCP announce it first right?


I would consider this confirmed, looking at both the actions CCP and the lack of action from the CSM.

Also supporting Money For Goons. Game time running out soon enough anyway so why the hell not. Idea


I doubt the CSM was involved. I'm sure at t least mynnna would have had something to say.



We were very specifically not asked for advice on whether or not this was a good idea.


Which is rather astonishing, considering it revolves around a decision to spawn special, high value items for a specific single player group.

Wasn't the CSM formed in part as a result of someone spawning high value items for a specific player group?

I don't understand how CCP could form the CSM, work with it for years, and then specifically not consult them on an issue that is essentially a repeat of the issue that caused them to form the CSM in the first place. It's astonishing.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#218 - 2013-09-27 10:03:40 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:

I don't understand how CCP could form the CSM, work with it for years, and then specifically not consult them on an issue that is essentially a repeat of the issue that caused them to form the CSM in the first place. It's astonishing.


It is a puzzle, isn't it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#219 - 2013-09-27 10:09:34 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event.

is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know

E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site)



Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something.

I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did.

Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain.

It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament.

Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this?
320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back.

As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads.
Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned.

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Prince Kobol
#220 - 2013-09-27 10:21:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Sirane Elrek wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
However, there is a big difference between creating content for your own gain and donating 320 billion isk to help improve a CCP Event.

is there a specific lower limit to the amount of ISK you have to donate to get hundreds of billions of ships given to you without any meaningful oversight? because we did sponsor hulkageddon V you know

E: also come on are you really pretending SOMER donating money wasn't for his own gain? it's called "advertising" (hint: he makes IRL and ingame money off his site)



Everything the Goonies did was because they stand to gain. Goonies would not have sponsored hulkageddon V if you did not stand to gain something.

I have no issue with that and I am glad that you did.

Donating 320bil isk (yeah I know its a drop in the ocean for him) for advertising a site which most people already know exist is very little gain.

It was still a very generous offer which I imagine went someway to improve the over all tournament.

Also you claim he makes RL money from the site, by any chance could you expand on this?
320b for SOME is literally nothing, and since it's rewared by a lot of unique ships which people will have to them pay for tickets to have a chance to win, he makes a LOT more back.

As for money making, firstly, SOMER makes money from ads.
Secondly SOMER is a laundering service for RMT. They run shill accounts which "win" then pass the isk to other players for real cash. Since the shill account is made to be totally separate, SOMER doesn't have to worry about them getting banned.



Since I use ad blocker I don't see any ads hence the why I asked the question.

I have already stated that the isk he donated was little as far as the isk he makes, but still more then anybody else has ever given.

You do realise that CCP have already stated that they have investigated SommerBlink.

So what you are saying is that CCP are aware of Somerblink RMT.

So Goons, for which you are part of, are now saying CCP are aware and endorse 3rd Party Site RMT'ing.. wow