EVE General Discussion

I'm leaving my opinion concerning this update, until we know more....saying that, "underwhelmed, but interested in seeing where it goes" would best describe my feelings at the moment.

"The unknown"..."Construct the right type of stargate"

For the love of God, CCP if you let people build gates to into WH space I quit. That's too stupid to fathom. WH needs to remain wild and untamed. Otherwise it's just more null sec.

I hope the SofE faction ships look close to their draw ups, I do think there should be a BS version too, like all other faction races give one of each. Would be the only BSable to warp cloaked, but as it seems they will be for exploring mostly I doubt it would make it OP any.

Intercetpors able to ignore warp bubbles, that seems a little much, they are already hard as hell to caught compared to other ships in EVE. Maybe give them better bonuses to range weapons to help them kite better or something.


Marauders being a seige ship, we will see I guess.

Inderdictors getting buffed be nice they need it, all but the Sabre anyways.

Rest looks great, I am looking forward to this patch.

I am looking forward to the SofE though, they just look nice and a true faction cloaky, mmmmm

I love the idea of a refit/storage locker that you can throw down most anywhere. AWESOME.

If they make it really covert, difficult to scan down, that would be absolutely amazing. A nice little pirate chop-shop.

The depot will be interesting, and I am looking forward to it, but its use is really going to depend on how big it is in the cargo hold. I can't imagine a lot of roaming fleets dragging around a hauler.

As for high sec and wormholes, it really seems to me like an Orca will still be the mobile base of choice.

As someone who has played this game for a very long time, I appreciate what ccp is trying to do. .... all the people over reacting need to calm down. Low sec is running just fine with player owned customs offices. I like the idea of taking the iskies that disappear into npcland, and put them into real Corps..... instead of over reacting, look at where this may be headed... player owned hi sec stations... can you imagine the wars over jita and amar?? And if you cap the tax rate on these to no higher than npc, then it does not affect hi sec game play... also the possibility of jump bridges In high sec is long over due..

jacking the pve ships was not cool though... you all could have made a whole new line of ships instead of abandoning all the pve people... or at least helped them out.

I know this is a long post skip the first paragraph if you dont want another isk sink isk faucet discussion

Okay im going to go the nice route, and work under the presumption you that you dont have that much exposure to MMO economic models.

Im mainly looking at your isk that goes to npc land bit. The basic problem is that isk HAS to go to NPC land. Essentially in eve due purely to the nature of MMO's the primary source of income is not derived from players paying other players to do stuff, money is derived form npc's paying players to do stuff. I.E. Kill rats /mission/Incursion. This is what we refer to as an isk faucet. These activities constantly are pouring new money into the game. I cant remember the exact figure but its on the order of 500 odd billion isk per day. The real life equivalent to an isk facuet is the Federal Reserve printing up new money. From nowhere new currency appears!. (some may point out that it is a bit more complex that this, but as it applies to eve were keeping it simple). If no isk is taken out of circulation i.e. an isk sink. Where isk leaves the eve economy never to return. If we eliminate isk sinks and they are not replaced eventually a HUGE problem occurs, hyper inflation. Hyperinflation is where so much new isk/money is added into an economy that over a very short period of time the prices of good skyrocket. Basically so much money is being introduced to an economy that 1 day a rifter could be 5 mil isk and the next day that same rifter without market manipulation could be 10 mil isk, than the day after 15 mil isk. We want inflation, especially as the player population grows (albeit slowly atm). But hyperinflation is bad. Since eve has lots of isk faucets these things need to be balanced out with sinks to control inflation. Deflationary examples in eve are, sov bills, clone costs, insurance expiration, LP stores ect ect ect. (no moons are not an isk faucet, they are a material faucet, materials in eve are much better balanced than isk). Highsec pocos while only ccp has exact figures were until this patch a probably not insignificant isk sink.

I too like when things are put in the hands of the players, but some stuff has to be in the hands of the NPC's for reasons of keeping the economy balanced. Want to remove poco's cool, want to reduce clone costs cool, but you need to replace these lost isk sinks with new isk sinks. Ones that will be popular enough that they will move the same amount of isk if not more or the economy will begin to decay. so yea go ahead remove the last NPC poco's but ffs replace it with something that will keep teh economy balanced and predictable.

For those of you who are thinking of quiting for awhile, invest in materials, they are one of the things that generally go up in price while your away. (not moon goo though)

Also, for the rest of the stuff. good god ccp can we get some new feautres, like game changing content on a larger level. I dont want to continue to think of apocrypha as the last patch of significance. It is the only patch that has provided us with long lasting thriving segment of gameplay, i.e. wormholes.

The siphon module and local cynojammer sound interesting but balance will be extremely critical. With the local cyno jammer it will be range, size and duration. With the siphon it will be detectability, size of cargo and amount siphoned.

On the siphon. it should be siphoning active moon miner cycles, not silo contents, hangar contents or assembly array contents. the amount it siphons needs to be kept reasonable, 10% of a cycle, 20 tops. it should require fuel! thsi module should not be able to run jsut based on being deployed, it should burn pos some kind of fuel that is equivilant to the potential isk value material is can be stealing, there needs to be a level of cost associated with operation other than module cost.

If you are going to have it siphoning you also need to change the function of reactors. If they get short changed on a cycle they cant go to starting up again for hour until it receives a full input cycle. over the course of 2 days a significant amount of material will just dissapear as it get say 90 units from the miner then 10, the other 80 the players should have gotten just go poof (if i understand mechanics correct, (disclaimer i may not).

Convince the other 50% of windows users to upgrade to a more modern OS then XP and you get what you want, until then not going to happen.

They "stole" the idea? What was the guy on the forums going to do with it? This is a very odd way to put it. People put up their ideas so that maybe they will be implemented, it sounds to me like they "listened" to his idea.

Incarna's issue wasn't that avatar gameplay was inherently detrimental, but rather poor implementation, terrible communication and an initial unwillingness to acknowledge and respond properly to community concerns and desires.

Considering what the actual issues were I hope we never forget it, lest we repeat it once again, and also that we realize what the true issues were. Lets recall that nothing incarna brought to the game is gone, yet the game still functions, so avatar gameplay cannot be the issue.