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High-Sec POCOs: Bringing Null to High-Sec?
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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-09-27 02:25:03 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
So what are doughnuts without a hole called?


Delicious.

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Mercas Alderau
Wholesale Merchants
#22 - 2013-09-27 02:52:48 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.


They don't own that many lowsec POCOs, so why would it be different in highsec?
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#23 - 2013-09-27 02:55:57 UTC
I think that wardec alliances should put pocos on every planet in highsec with 100% tax and force people into wardeccing them to take them down Twisted

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-09-27 03:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
Hmm shooting at these only gets a suspect timer. What is that 15 minutes. If null alliances want to empty null space to defend their high sec pocos, well then what happens back in null sec? Who's going to stand a constant watch thats what I wonder. Its worse than the dull time eating mining watch IMHO.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-09-27 03:14:56 UTC
The personal vaults create suspect timers. Hisec pocos will have reinforcements timers like lowsec and nullsec ones do.

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-09-27 03:19:55 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
The personal vaults create suspect timers. Hisec pocos will have reinforcements timers like lowsec and nullsec ones do.


ok thanks for clearing that up.
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-09-27 03:23:04 UTC
I seriously doubt nullbears will have the attention span to consistently defend high-sec POCOs. Especially the less lucrative ones.

Something like this drives high sec interaction, and encourages players to either communicate with POCO owners for better prices, explore in search of a new POCO, or band together to take your own POCO.

At the very least, launch your **** into space and avoid POCOs altogether. All these concerns were addressed before by the CCP devs, CSM, and playerbase.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#28 - 2013-09-27 03:26:46 UTC
Mercas Alderau wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
It's going to be beautiful when the null-blocs own all the high sec POCOs, tax the average high-sec folks right out of the market, then demand fealty to get the blue standings required for decent tax rates again.


They don't own that many lowsec POCOs, so why would it be different in highsec?


1) Most of them have alts in high, so being able to take advantage of 0 or low tax rates will drive the effort. Easy, no/low tax PI with low/no risk. Unlike lowsec.

2) High sec groups generally lack the resources to combat or even slow a determined nullsec POCO bash. In low you can go back and forth all week without needing to wardec in order to do it, as well as having bored third parties interrupt your fun.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#29 - 2013-09-27 03:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexus Day
It is only fair. CCP gives hi-sec SOE ships to explore null, and in return they open up hi sec to the large alliances to make isk. Quid pro quo.

Can't wait for the first big conflict in hi sec between Brave Newbies and Goonswarm.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-09-27 03:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Gorgoth24 wrote:
I seriously doubt nullbears will have the attention span to consistently defend high-sec POCOs. Especially the less lucrative ones.

Something like this drives high sec interaction, and encourages players to either communicate with POCO owners for better prices, explore in search of a new POCO, or band together to take your own POCO.

At the very least, launch your **** into space and avoid POCOs altogether. All these concerns were addressed before by the CCP devs, CSM, and playerbase.



Yup, it'll be like the ice interdictions: just used for the occasional tear extraction. For the rest of the year it will be business as usual.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-09-27 03:54:39 UTC
That's fine by me to have POCO's in High Sec, as I work my PI exclusively in Low Sec anyway.

Tbh, most Low Sec POCO owners don't really make that much ISK from taxes, and those that set them high just get used by fewer players. It's just not that lucrative at all.

And with the PI product output from High Sec planets being about only half, repeat half, that of Low Sec, it is especially not lucrative at all. Literally pocket change ISK-wise.

This is not a fortune making proposition for anybody at all to do this in high sec, and it will absolutely not be a profit temptation for already established Null Corps at all.

It's just something to do. Even the best High Sec planets are not worth enough to lure this business out of Low and Null. At all.

But have fun with it anyway. I'll watch to see what happens.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#32 - 2013-09-27 04:14:58 UTC
Null sec cartels have an insatiable desire to control the entire Eve economy, so they decided to attack high sec industry through another creative angle. ( Frankly, I did not see the attack coming through PI, but the shoe on T2 industry in high sec might still drop before Nov 19th).

The cartels have decided that CCP can indeed get by without the casual gamer subscriptions, and we are seeing the result.

The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.
The cartels crushed high sec ore mining profitability.
And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).

Like I said in previous posts, this is a multi-stage end game move on high sec industry, with the coup de grace being the summer release. I am sure the current CSM will be quite proud of themselves when their term ends, and high sec will finally be a smoking ruins, incapable of supporting any kind of decent income.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-09-27 04:18:10 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Null sec cartels have an insatiable desire to control the entire Eve economy, so they decided to attack high sec industry through another creative angle. ( Frankly, I did not see the attack coming through PI, but the shoe on T2 industry in high sec might still drop before Nov 19th).

The cartels have decided that CCP can indeed get by without the casual gamer subscriptions, and we are seeing the result.

The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.
The cartels crushed high sec ore mining profitability.
And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).

Like I said in previous posts, this is a multi-stage end game move on high sec industry, with the coup de grace being the summer release. I am sure the current CSM will be quite proud of themselves when their term ends, and high sec will finally be a smoking ruins, incapable of supporting any kind of decent income.


I'll drink to that! The devious plan of the Nulluminati is coming to fruition!

Jita By summer!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2013-09-27 04:20:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Null sec cartels have an insatiable desire to control the entire Eve economy, so they decided to attack high sec industry through another creative angle. ( Frankly, I did not see the attack coming through PI, but the shoe on T2 industry in high sec might still drop before Nov 19th).

The cartels have decided that CCP can indeed get by without the casual gamer subscriptions, and we are seeing the result.

The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.
The cartels crushed high sec ore mining profitability.
And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).

Like I said in previous posts, this is a multi-stage end game move on high sec industry, with the coup de grace being the summer release. I am sure the current CSM will be quite proud of themselves when their term ends, and high sec will finally be a smoking ruins, incapable of supporting any kind of decent income.


That reminds me, I need to invest in tinfoil.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#35 - 2013-09-27 04:26:43 UTC
Korrimal Ohmiras wrote:
Supply / Demand - prices will get set based on their proximity to a major trading hub and how rare they are in the local area. No one is going to set a high-sec customs office at a reasonable rate.


While we don't have the full mechanics of this yet, I agree with this.

I also think, some people will try to overcome that by hauling to lower priced systems and it's going to be heaven for the gankers. There are already a ton of gankers around Jita with alts ready to scoop the loot.

This will make that an even more profitable form of gameplay.

I have no problem with that as a tactic to profit, but I think the statements in the stream were a little bit naive to think players will just all play nicely and as expected.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2013-09-27 04:41:04 UTC
Whine and complain, is all hisec tards do when they are given more gameplay options.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-09-27 04:45:55 UTC
Well...

This will certainly drive the Highsec war machine a bit more.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#38 - 2013-09-27 05:06:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shooting structures

great


WITHOUT capital ships this time.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-09-27 05:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Null sec cartels have an insatiable desire to control the entire Eve economy, so they decided to attack high sec industry through another creative angle. ( Frankly, I did not see the attack coming through PI, but the shoe on T2 industry in high sec might still drop before Nov 19th).

The cartels have decided that CCP can indeed get by without the casual gamer subscriptions, and we are seeing the result.

The cartels wiped out high sec ice mining.
The cartels crushed high sec ore mining profitability.
And by December anyone who makes P4 materials in high sec will be paying a tax to the cartels, which means we ALL are paying another tax to the cartels (to go along with the tax on all T2 products).

Like I said in previous posts, this is a multi-stage end game move on high sec industry, with the coup de grace being the summer release. I am sure the current CSM will be quite proud of themselves when their term ends, and high sec will finally be a smoking ruins, incapable of supporting any kind of decent income.



Oh noes, not my poor highsec and casual gameplay style!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2013-09-27 05:09:23 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shooting structures

great


WITHOUT capital ships this time.

We grinded delve with torp bombers, what's your problem with them

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