Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The premise is simple: In order to legally mine for ice or ore in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems - players or corporations must belong to the ORE Syndicate. This functions similarly to Faction Warfare, with one exception: all players (and corporation-owned POS) in the ORE Syndicate are allied and eligible (red) targets in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 ice and ore belts for all non-syndicate players. The ORE Syndicate option is available through the Services menu.

0.8, 0.9 and 1.0 systems are unaffected by this change. Players who mine in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems without belonging to the syndicate incur an immediate suspect (yellow) flag with the accompanying timer.

What are the perks? Players in the ORE Syndicate receive LPs for x number of ice and ore harvested, as well as LP for any opposing player (not NPC) ships destroyed. Both miners and defenders are eligible to join the ORE Syndicate. LPs can be redeemed at the ORE Syndicate store for mining and similar-related implants. All players in the ORE Syndicate effectively offer a combined defense for all.

What are the drawbacks? Aside from being an eligible target, players in the ORE Syndicate forfeit 10% of their mining yield on sale to the ORE Syndicate (essentially a tax). Players are eligible targets within a 1000km radius of the actual ice or ore belts, and CONCORD protection does not apply until they leave the area.

This effectively brings limited PvP combat to a majority of high-sec systems while still affording new players the option to start out in 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0 systems. Players are basically free to continue play as before, with the caveat that they now run more of a risk if they choose to mine solo without syndicate support (but no mining tax) in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems. Corporation-owned POS that belong to the ORE Syndicate are now eligible for attack without a wardec. Low-sec effectively becomes the "last frontier" for true unhindered mining operations.

Comments and feedback welcome.

This isn't 'PvP' from the miners perspective, it's forcing them to sign up to be legally ganked in high-sec for zero real benefit on their part. I honestly don't understand the intention behind it other than removing what little risk there is for suicide gankers, besides providing more demand for barge/exhumer manufacturers.

Most of the people I know who mine do so as a break from PvP or simply because the PvP side of the game isn't one that particularly interests them. Since miners are getting ganked every day in highsec, why do they need more risk for an activity that isn't even fun or hugely profitable from a time/ISK perspective?

Not trying to be snarky or dismissive btw (if it seems like it, it's because these stupid forums keep eating my damned posts), I genuinely just don't understand the intention behind this idea besides legalised ganking.

If you want to get miners to PvP you increase miner m3/minute substantially and then decrease ore regen in high sec and reduce ore in missions. It would push miners to low / null sec

This is moronic.

I don't mine, but I do know the reason people mine in hisec is because they don't want to PvP. That is why your idea is awful.

Spot on, financial loss is the number one reason why people don't engage in pvp, given the high cost of losses vs the amount of time it takes to earn that isk combined with very little ways of earning good money in low sec that doesnt entail someone trying to hand your arse to you on a plate. No wonder financially motivated players avoid pvp in general and stay in high sec.

Consider this forbidding ice mining in half systems. What's going to happen to POS network then? What's the difference between said 0.5-0.7 and lowsec? Crap.

P. S. Exactly similar mechanics as you want is currently in lowsec. I don't think there's too many ice miners.
LP? For miners? That's not worth mining for.

1. most miners mine solo in high sec space.

2. Tanking your mining vessel and paying allied defenders = dumping your profit into the toilet.

3. Pvp vs miners is open in about 1/2 of all the systems in the game not even counting WH space, the type of miner willing to take risks already has plenty of space to mine, whereas, we risk averse miners stick to high sec and would just move to strictly 0.8 and higher systems and your system would be a useless game addition.

I just wanted to address these 2 sections.
So what you are saying is that to min in 0.5-0.7 you need to lose 10%, and not be in a player run corp.
This would simply push people to 0.8+, and kill ice mining in high sec. Other than ice, the only benefit to a 0.5 is that it has more of the +10% ores. If you were paying 10%, you'd be better off picking a 0.8 closer to a market hub and just mining regular ore in safety.

Also as the other have said, this seems to be a way to force a miner into combat. Miners don't want combat, so they will go to great lengths to avoid it.

Miners, haulers, and missioners, as a whole, are mining because they don't want to shoot or be shot at by other players.

The market will tell you, though, that there's more than one way to PVP.

Let's say that ORE and Interbus are in a tiff.. With the production of the Rorqual, the ORE syndicate has stepped on Interbus' big hauler toes. Each of them has decided to start hiring capsuleers to interfere with the others' operations.

Capsuleers can join up with either syndicate in various systems.

For miners, 3 systems are chosen at random (1 high, 1 low, and 1 null) whichever side (ORE or Interbus) gets the most ore/gas/etc by value (value based on overall rarity) by the end of a set amount of time (week, month, fortnight) gets access to an industry specific LP store (or special industry anomalies or ore sites)

For haulers, deadspace hauling runs, (no freighters needed as they have no slots) you will be given a special scanning device that let's you see these spots, all you have to do is go to the spot, fill your hold, leave. Other people may be there, others may not. If you're an interbus hauler and you see an ORE hauler nearby, you'll want to snatch those cans quicker to get bigger rewards.

For ratters, mission runners. High-sec will be seeded with npc miners/haulers traveling about, doing their thing, you go talk to an agent and he gives you a limited time pass as he's bribed Concord to look the other way for a bit. Your job is to hunt down X number of npc haulers or miners and bring their "tags" or similar item back.

Industry specific LP store will have special faction mining lasers, crystals, cargo expanders, mining/salvage drones, implants, ships, etc.. (We're talking H variant Ventures, The S.H.A.M.U. variant Orca, and the always popular Lions Roarqual for ORE, and the Obliteron Mk X, the Mushroom variant Badger, and the OZZI variant Charon for Interbus)

Now, what about us pew-pew guys nothing for us? Well, nothing directly, but sooner or later someone is going to want an enemy industiralist from the other faction out of a belt, ice cloud, hauling run, system with sweet sweet high level hauler NPCs (NPC Fenrir's always coming through Abracadabrainen or HocusPocusoulette) etc and that's when they dock up and perhaps leak to a nearby corporation of angry pew pewers that someones got some bling on and the pew pew takes care of itself.