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DEVSWARM OP: CCP Should Give Goonswarm Trillions Of Isk Worth of Crap

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#121 - 2013-09-26 18:18:43 UTC
Sirane Elrek wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:

They lose the 10 isk shiny, but have 20 x 1 isk from each player

so they still profit.

or they could just give the 10 isk shiny to an alt or a "good friend" and have both the shiny and the 20 isk


Of course, if you can have your cake and eat it too then who wouldn't.

But even in an absolute best case scenario, in which somer are altruistic saintly people, they still benefit extremely unfairly.
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#122 - 2013-09-26 18:21:24 UTC
to be fair I don't blame somer (although if they turned round and refused the ships would be pretty damned noble of them) I blame CCP for even thinking this is half a good idea..

If CCP convoes me and offered me a half a trillion isks worth of stuff, I would find it hard to say no also!
i hatechosingnames
Insert Corporation Name Here
#123 - 2013-09-26 18:22:11 UTC
Vald Tegor wrote:
i hatechosingnames wrote:
Dod Kalm wrote:
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:
If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship.

Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue


He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use)


You forgot it needs to be able to fit a CovOps cloak, bomb launcher and have a jump drive.


What was I thinking?

2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage
Can fit covert ops cloak
Interdiction sphere launcher
Bomb Launcher
Aurora Ominae
6.5 ly jump drive range.

Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#124 - 2013-09-26 18:25:22 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.

I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds.

What more would we need?


Idea for ya, CCP gives you stuff, you pack VFK station with said stuff. If your home station is conquered you contract said items over to whomever does this?


we hereby surrender to groon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#125 - 2013-09-26 18:27:35 UTC
Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.


If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#126 - 2013-09-26 18:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vald Tegor
Barbie D0ll wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it.

True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought.


Come to think of it, I don't think SOMER has anything ingame that can be attacked and/or blown up.

When you have a big win they deliver it on request to other trade hubs/stations. So there's something out in space that belongs to them, if you manage to track it down (unless it just gets bought locally, but I know they at least used to actually freight stuff). You could also go to low sec and harass the winners who take capital winnings in ship form, but not the organization itself.

Realistically, the vast majority of the stuff never leaves Jita 4-4 or just gets paid out as isk/converted to credit on the site to start with. Many of the prizes pay out more ISK than Jita sell orders for the, item just to save them the legwork of item trades. You also get a bonus for converting to credit instead of taking ISK, so they don't have to actually do any work at all. You send the corp the ISK, API makes it show up on the web site, then you click some buttons until you're out of credit.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#127 - 2013-09-26 18:33:31 UTC
i hatechosingnames wrote:

What was I thinking?

2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage
Can fit covert ops cloak
Interdiction sphere launcher
Bomb Launcher
Aurora Ominae
6.5 ly jump drive range.

Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'?


I think you missed the entire point of a Megathron Baltec Issue

baltec1 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tippia wrote:

You're just bitter you can't fit a bomb launcher on your Mega.

Its one of my three big issues in life.

I hesitate to ask, but what are the other two?

No Jump drive ( cannot take part in capital fleets )
No cov ops cloak ( cannot take part in black ops fleets )

Katie Corb
Corb's Emporium of Catgirls and Cynosural Fields
#128 - 2013-09-26 18:36:10 UTC
Hi. I'm Katie Corb

I am a very SIMPLE person.

I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.

That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.

Thank you.

:darkelf:

Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2013-09-26 18:41:39 UTC
Katie Corb wrote:
Hi. I'm Katie Corb

I am a very SIMPLE person.

I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.

That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.

Thank you.


r00d

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.

Mirkali Maricadie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-09-26 18:42:58 UTC
Actually... as much as I would do some tongue-in-cheek post concerning giving alliances free ships... I feel I might as well throw in an honest post.

As someone who was sponsored into Goonswarm before playing EVE Online; I can confirm that their treatment of newbies has kept me as a paying subscriber (As I tend to not have much time to rat currently). They take the time to take newbies in cold with little to no experience with the game, give them basic training beyond the game's tutorial, and then throw them into real fights so that they can then immediately learn from. On top of various social programs, the members are rather generous and give hundreds of millions of ISK to newbies to get them started (I received over 1.2 billion ISK of donations/free stuff not including subsidies as a newbie in my first 2 months), and on top of that give them the knowledge necessary to make the most ISK with the least effort, so that they don't get burnt out on EVE's imperfect methods of keeping one in the money.

And it's not only that they have programs or friendliness towards newbees, it's that they design everything around newbies. When we went to fight the Fountain War, the newbies were given a very important role in the war as Ewar and Logi cruisers. And anyone in that war could tell you they were key to victory in most fights (It was also a blast to fly those ships in the war). Most of the Special Interest Groups that keep goons busy between wars specifically design their doctrines to incorporate newbies into them, beyond just flying tackling frigates. This all really goes back to Goonswarm's history with Rifters.

While it is strategically sound to utilize new players as much as possible, it also frankly works in CCPs favor, as this game is atrocious to pick up and try to learn, and Goonswarm really helps you scale that damned cliff until the game finally gets its hooks into you. And that's how you retain subscribers.

So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems.

Since CCP has this new policy, they should really give out prizes for the next time we do our NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) event, which all were invited, and we all had fun shooting eachother in Vile Rat's honor. I know the squad I was with, we took down two of our own carriers, and one guy had a 4.5 Billion ISK lossmail. Giving out a Guardian Vexor or something to the person with the most expensive killmail would have been a good gesture.
Metal Icarus
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
#131 - 2013-09-26 18:43:57 UTC
dis whole thread is dildos
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#132 - 2013-09-26 18:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
it'd be interesting if somer blink refused these ships
Spurty
#133 - 2013-09-26 18:52:18 UTC
Hey goonies:

1) make your own content (your version of blink)
2) war dec blink
3) content I suppose .. But not really

As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".

Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh

Now let's see who get the prizes ...

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-09-26 19:03:30 UTC
While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#135 - 2013-09-26 19:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin.


I dont think you understand the value of those ships.

It is open season no matter who undocks them, Golden Magnates would likely auction for over 100bn, people would probably suicide gank that even if they were in a pirate BS.

edit: I agree that actual content creators are more worthy of receiving them though.
Cavalira
Arrivederci.
#136 - 2013-09-26 19:12:25 UTC
Goonswarm provided way more entertainment and content than Somber Blink ever did. I'm pretty sure Goonswarm has earned CCP a lot of subs, Goon accounts and non-goon accounts.

I might dare saying that without Goonswarm, EVE would be more dead than it is right now.

(This entire event is awful. CCP decide to give Somer Blink items that'll promote Somer Blink. CCP shouldn't help anyone in this sandbox. Secretly spawning BPOs or officially giving them - what's the difference?)
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-09-26 19:12:47 UTC
OP.....***** please
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#138 - 2013-09-26 19:15:38 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Hey goonies:

1) make your own content (your version of blink)
2) war dec blink
3) content I suppose .. But not really

As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".

Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh

Now let's see who get the prizes ...


Hey Mr GRR GOONS

Do you understand the concept of ship replacement programs funded at an alliance level?

You see, goons go out and get blown up by pubbies. The alliance then pays to replace that ship, so the goon can fit a new ship and go get blown up by another pubbie instead of wasting time ratting.

That is how content is generated. From the guy doing to shooting, to the one who built the ships and mods, mined the minerals, ran the reactions, researched the blueprints, along with the market trades and transportation of goods involved.
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
#139 - 2013-09-26 19:25:36 UTC
Might aswell support this, considering what's happening at the moment.

xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx can be blue now? :PP

 ♥ 

Asher Elias
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#140 - 2013-09-26 19:32:37 UTC
Mirkali Maricadie wrote:

So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems.
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This guy pretty much nailed it. It's time for CCP to give back to the real givers of Eve, not the takers.