Intergalactic Summit

Lady Tyrathlion,

although I value your lecture on this important suspect—since we are all bound to contribute to our most holy and sanctified religion by spreading its tenets—I disagree with your interpretation.

You say:



And the scriptures state:



While it may seem to correspond with your message of us being all the children of God, it does not. All things were as one. The stars, the planets, the stones, the birds and the bees. A mother may give birth to a child. She may also sweat. The child and the sweat are both products of biological processes. Yet only one we call her child. In the case of us being the children of God, it is the bestowal of purpose that matters, not the creation.


Yet it was after the EVE Gate collapsed that God spoke to one people and sent His message through His gleamed, sweet gift-bestowing prophets to it (cf. Book of Reclaiming 4:45). We were neither left separate nor alone. It is not the connection to inferior people that matters, but the connection to Him. Thus the interpretation of the Unbroken Circle becomes a different one.

I am looking forward to your next lecture.

Odelya

I have to agree with Cpt Tyrathlion here:

The chosing of the Amarr people only happened after the fall. This is also why interpreting theological symbology on a purely literal and/or historical level is doomed to failure. The truths contained in it are greater than mere historical happenings, just as the higher truth contained in history is higher than history in itself. It also is more than just the literal message and only if we ask what it means we are able to unlock it's full meaning by peeling layer of meaning from layer of meaning until we reach the core. The collapse of the EVE gate should be understood not as the massage, but the medium of the message. Just as choosing the Amarr shouldn't be understood as the message, but the medium of the massage. Historical happenings are - correctly understood - a typos, a pointer towards higher spiritual truths.

Only in understanding these higher truth can we truely serve God and fulfill our purpose bestowed upon us by him. And only the ignorant will claim that he's not in need of theology because the literal message is clear enough and needs no further elucidation. There has been a class of priests meditating and mediating these higher truth to the common folk and nobles alike for good reason and it's best we don't break with this time proven tradition. Those that mindlessly quote Scripture to justify themselves seperate it from it's original meaning and thus, eventually, God.

The idea that the Amarr were chosen because they were superior is misleading and heretical. It is in fact incompatible with the idea that not the people matter, but the relation in which they are with God. That the ethnical Amarr were in this position at the time is merely a historical contingency and nothing that is inherent in the Amarr. Properly understood and in it's highest and most pure meaning 'Amarr' thus has nothing to do with ethnicity, race or pedigree, but with living a righteous life in fear of God. Woe to him who thinks himself already saved because of his bloodline. This thought is not in uniformity with God's. This thought is free from considering the purpose God bestowed on man. This pure thought is far from the reality He created. It only leads to a dark path.

The meaning of the unbroken circle is quite certainly not connected to an artifical differentiation of people in inherently inferior and superior ones. It is the expression of the fundamental unity of mankind in God, indeed, and thus contains the ultimate expression of the promise universal salvation as a return to our origin. It refers to the collaps of the EVE gate only insofar as the collaps of the EVE gate is a typos of the loss of higher unity. One should be humble enough before the Lord to understand that the Amarrian Empire is merely the vehicle to achieve reunification of mankind in our source - and that it is in fact the responsibility, not the priviledge, of the Amarr to steer that vehicle and bring everyone aboard. I'm quite sure that we will, in this series, see that the Empire is well aware of it's imperfection and expresses this awareness in it's imperial crest.

Faithfully,
- N. Mithra

Now, I know it's entirely possible that I'm just reading this wrong, Odelya, but I'm pretty sure that what you just said boils down to "the Theology Council and anyone else responsible for curating the Scriptures are doing it wrong".


... Hm. Never mind. You were.


Wild stab in the dark, but I think that right now, perhaps you ought to be following your own advice instead of preaching it to others.

I find it hilarious that your talking down to one of New Eden's foremost experts in theology. She's no commoner. And this is coming from a Gallente.


So the normal person shouldn't be helped to learn? Is that 'godly?'




She didn't, you did.


It's an implication your put in your statement by hiding it with clever wording. Basically you're saying all things were one, but only the Amarr are God's children.

Also, not really fearing here, more laughing at your ignorance.

Doesn’t your last sentence say it all? But for the sake of all the children who are reading this and might get confused by so many strangers claiming to have knowledge about our way of life, and out of mercy, let me, in a simple and clear language, enlighten you too…


The “normal person” shall live in fear of God, the “normal person” shall follow the scriptures to the letter and look for the example of his holder who God has installed into his position. When his holder orders him to wipe of his left hand he shall obey without question for he can be assured that his holder is good and just. Maybe this is something new to a Gallente, but our system works—without mocked elections and flawed bureaucracies.

Your “normal person” knows himself that he shall neither lie nor live idly and waste his time, he will know to thank God for every blessing and not to delay in doing good. He is blessed with reason and emotions, which are better companions than corrupt priests from the Theology Council. I know many Khanid priests that are good men and have spend their lifes studying and meditating the scriptures. They have helped me once and they will help me again. They are good not because they are part of a rotten hierarchy, but because they are good.


Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, that we are the children of God, that we are chosen—not you; I am not saying however, we were chosen because we were special, for this I do not know. And you might have escaped my point that I find it rather unusual for “one of New Eden's foremost experts in theology” to advocate the “proven tradition” of a class of priests and then individually judging what is heretic and what is not.


You see, children, here we can conclude our lesson: do not ever try to argue on a logical base—or any other—with a Gallente. They will become furious without any obvious reason. Funny.

So basically because I am of one race, there's NO WAY I could know or respect another race's way of life? OK I thought you were playing dumb, but now it's just simple fact that you are dumb. Jeesh we have new Diana Kim's popping up everywhere. First that U-Nat, now you? Jeesh.


Not was I was saying. You're not addressing my point. I was saying that YOU said the Council shouldn't be helping commoners to understand more of the Scriptures. This isn't anything to do with democracy or whatever. It's basic education. But YOU seem to think that ignorance is demanded by 'God' and that it condones said ignorance through 'blessing' blind faith and action.

That's stupid. I'm pretty sure you're the first Amarrian I've ever heard try to make ignorance to be a good thing.


You seem bitter about something.


Well I think she'd know what is and is not heretical given her credentials and running history, academic authority, theological recognition, etc. Where's your credentials?
Also...so you say you aren't chosen as a race for being special...but that you're the special chosen children of God.

Dude what

If you do not understand the difference between an inquiry and a rhetorical question then who is the one who fails to look smarter and superior? Apparently, you spent your time in the Kingdom playing cards and watching soap operas, otherwise you would have recognised the lack of an institution called “Theology Council”. And this, my dear, was the point of asking you the question if you have ever been in the Kingdom, since you were so sure that what I just said “boils down to the Theology Council and anyone else responsible for curating the Scriptures are doing it wrong.” Remember?

So you lived in the Kingdom for “almost two years”? Wow, I am impressed, what an expert you must have become. I am sure now even your mother tells you the stories about your ancestors on Athra and your father shows you the helmet his grandfather was wearing in battle. You may know, but you will not understand. Outsiders will never understand. Your argument is just another wicked way of claiming cultural authority over other people. That’s what the Gallente are good in.

I will keep in mind not to speak in allegories to you again. And please remember that even if you are looking for ways to push your low self-esteem you should mind your tongue when speaking to your betters.

We've already got at least two threads full of this kind of defensiveness and playing of semantics and word games. Let's try and stick to the topic at hand shall we, Ms d'Hanguest? This is an objective lecture series intended to enlighten people about an important aspect of our culture, not somewhere for such petty haranguing.

I will briefly cover the so-called Sixth in due course for the benefit of you and other outsiders. For now, I will merely stress that it is not acknowledged to exist in the series, and all implications of it are heretical. To explain why is best done with the rest of the series as background.

No offence taken - the topic is not a concern to me, but it is a sore point for some.