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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-09-24 18:22:18 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:


Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.

So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.

If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts.

This would be an example of something that does not make sense. What?


If you must know: I posted here cuz I've always found the 'post with ur main' ranting ridiculous and I expected a lot of hurf blurf about cowardness, credibility and so on that would be slightly amusing. I was not disappointed! Lol


Now if you would excuse me, I have some business to take care of on my main in game. Big smile
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#42 - 2013-09-24 18:26:14 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:


Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.

So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.

If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts.

This would be an example of something that does not make sense. What?


If you must know: I posted here cuz I've always found the 'post with ur main' ranting ridiculous and I expected a lot of hurf blurf about cowardness, credibility and so on that would be slightly amusing. I was not disappointed! Lol

So, you do in fact care what people think about you posting with an NPC alt. So your earlier statements were in fact disingenuous.

See this is what I was talking aboutBig smile. Support your position 100% dammit. Post with your main about how you feel NPC alts should be respected. Cool
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-09-24 18:29:27 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Well, using an NPC corp alt makes you fall into two categories in my opinion. The first, what you're saying might be taken personally by someone, and therefore you use a npc alt because you're a coward, and are too scared of any possible ramifications in game. Or secondly, you are in fact a noob in an npc corp, and therefore your opinion is almostly certainly invalid due to inexperience.

I'm of the opinion that if you have something to say about something on the forums, especially if it's something you feel strongly about, then you should post with your main. Anyone that hides behind npc alts should expect, and deserve, to have their opinion be considered invalid and uninformed.

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So just out of curiosity... if I belong in an alliance that does not appreciate public contact and I decide that I want to still be socially involved on these forums... my words will fall on deaf ears because I use a pilot I have in a npc corp?

Interesting. I mean, it's flat out close minded.

But interesting notion nonetheless.

Tell me something. Say you have someone of a genius caliber who only recently started playing Eve and is not in a player ran corp or has a history but obviously is smart enough to apply his/her intelligence to the game to make sense.

Do your principles still apply?

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-09-24 18:47:25 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.


Of course there might be that NPC Corp player who's been around long enough to rack up a good kill board and figured he or she didn't need to join a corp.
Baaldor
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2013-09-24 18:53:57 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Well, using an NPC corp alt makes you fall into two categories in my opinion. The first, what you're saying might be taken personally by someone, and therefore you use a npc alt because you're a coward, and are too scared of any possible ramifications in game. Or secondly, you are in fact a noob in an npc corp, and therefore your opinion is almostly certainly invalid due to inexperience.

I'm of the opinion that if you have something to say about something on the forums, especially if it's something you feel strongly about, then you should post with your main. Anyone that hides behind npc alts should expect, and deserve, to have their opinion be considered invalid and uninformed.

Check out my sig below for further instructions.



So just out of curiosity... if I belong in an alliance that does not appreciate public contact and I decide that I want to still be socially involved on these forums... my words will fall on deaf ears because I use a pilot I have in a npc corp?

Interesting. I mean, it's flat out close minded.

But interesting notion nonetheless.

Tell me something. Say you have someone of a genius caliber who only recently started playing Eve and is not in a player ran corp or has a history but obviously is smart enough to apply his/her intelligence to the game to make sense.

Do your principles still apply?


Joining an organization that frowns on posting in a pubbie forum was your choice. Whether others take what they read seriously from eve-o forums are theirs.

Also who cares if he/she/it is a genius. If he/she/it was a genius they sure as hell would know that posting on a forum with close minded autistic squirrels would be futile and he/she/it would simply trash can the game.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-09-24 18:55:32 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.

A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.


Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.


Of course there might be that NPC Corp player who's been around long enough to rack up a good kill board and figured he or she didn't need to join a corp.

And if the char doesn't have a good killboard then that must mean that grass isn't green if he says so. Lol
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#47 - 2013-09-24 19:03:38 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Of course there might be that NPC Corp player who's been around long enough to rack up a good kill board and figured he or she didn't need to join a corp.

And that's totally cool. That also means he has zero experience in certain other parts of the game e.g. sov, so his opinion would be regarded as worth less in that context. But in other contexts, e.g. solo pvp, he can certainly reference his background if someone questions it.


Murk Paradox wrote:
Say you have someone of a genius caliber who ....

Genius posts on the Eve forums. Ah, thanks for the laugh man, I needed it. Lol
Anslo
Scope Works
#48 - 2013-09-24 19:10:57 UTC
yep, us npc corp people have no idea what we're doing. We pvp in mission fit golems on planets and keep trying though!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-09-24 19:31:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
yep, us npc corp people have no idea what we're doing. We pvp in mission fit golems on planets and keep trying though!


Never not armour plated Golems.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-09-24 19:35:57 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Of course there might be that NPC Corp player who's been around long enough to rack up a good kill board and figured he or she didn't need to join a corp.

And that's totally cool. That also means he has zero experience in certain other parts of the game e.g. sov, so his opinion would be regarded as worth less in that context. But in other contexts, e.g. solo pvp, he can certainly reference his background if someone questions it.


Murk Paradox wrote:
Say you have someone of a genius caliber who ....

Genius posts on the Eve forums. Ah, thanks for the laugh man, I needed it. Lol



You'd be surprised at the IQ of people who are decidedly socially inept and want to change that but can only do so much.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-09-24 19:43:36 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:


You'd be surprised at the IQ of people who are decidedly socially inept and want to change that but can only do so much.

Oh my.

I guess I know where this is leading

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-09-24 19:43:52 UTC
They also tend to be the ones who later on in their history make a decidedly huge impact on the game.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2013-09-24 19:45:36 UTC
grr goons.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#54 - 2013-09-24 19:53:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonis Kador
Portia Venetia wrote:

Alternatively, it suggests they're keenly aware of the "metagame" and are acting accordingly.


Aware. And avoiding participating in it.

Content in EVE is player-generated. When players remain in npc corps, (usually) this means they're playing EVE solo. Playing the game mostly solo represents a minimal contribution to pgc. It is in everyone's best interest that players interact. It results in a higher-quality product for CCP and a better game for everyone. So the stigma against npc mains is a structural manifestation of this reality. It exists because it's useful and necessary - not because players are cruel and stupid.

Personally, I've never felt folks were more credible if they wrote on the forums with their "mains," as we have no idea how many characters/accounts anyone is running. How would I even know if a given character is "really" someone's main? But imo, should npc mains and npc forum alts be treated with a joshing disdain for their aversion to and lack of contribution to pgc?

Absolutely.

YK
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-09-24 20:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Yonis Kador wrote:
Portia Venetia wrote:

Alternatively, it suggests they're keenly aware of the "metagame" and are acting accordingly.


Aware. And avoiding participating in it.

Content in EVE is player-generated. When players remain in npc corps, (usually) this means they're playing EVE solo. Playing the game mostly solo represents a minimal contribution to pgc. It is everyone's best interest that players interact. It results in a higher-quality product for CCP and a better game for everyone. So the stigma against npc mains is a structural manifestation of this reality. It exists because it's useful and necessary - not because players are cruel and stupid.

Personally, I've never felt folks were more credible if they wrote on the forums with their "mains," as we have no idea how many characters/accounts anyone is running. How would I even know if a given character is "really" someone's main? But imo, should npc mains and npc forum alts be treated with a joshing disdain for their aversion to and lack of contribution to pgc?

Absolutely.

YK




I have yet to see why someone would post in a pc ran corp if they are a known awoxer or engage in continuous safaris.

Unless you think an exception does not prove the rule, or that you need to be a part of a "club" to matter?

(Solo pilots matter btw and do definitely generate content).

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-09-24 20:12:44 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
See this is what I was talking aboutBig smile. Support your position 100% dammit. Post with your main about how you feel NPC alts should be respected. Cool
What if you main is a long term NPC corp resident?
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-09-24 20:23:10 UTC
posting in stealth Nerf NPC Corp thread
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#58 - 2013-09-24 20:37:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...

But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?

Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

It's the EVE version of “put your money where your mouth is”.

Not true.... Just because they are in an NPC corp now doesnt mean they always were nor does it mean they dont have a ten year old toon on another account. Your statement is displaying your own ignorance.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#59 - 2013-09-24 20:48:01 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:


I have yet to see why someone would post in a pc ran corp if they are a known awoxer or engage in continuous safaris.

(Solo pilots matter btw and do definitely generate content).


Sure they do. Minimally. Whereas, characters in player-run corps interact with other players more consistently, building more long-term friendships, forging more alliances, defending more territory, etc. Those players simply contribute "more" to pgc. It's even been shown that participation in player-run corps has a measurable effect on player retention. It isn't even debatable.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Does the fact that a guy with a npc main ganks occasionally matter? Yes. Undocking from the station matters. Everyone who is undocked right now is contributing to pgc by providing opportunities to other players. But if the recipient of npc-corp player aggression cannot retaliate, via wardec or because of disposable alt syndrome, then the contribution to pgc is lessened. Should we celebrate and treat equally as a group, those characters which avoid player interaction and contribute to pgc minimally? It's a valid (and long-debated) question.

Imo, no. For the health of the game, they should be joshed a little. I respect everyone's right to share an opinion. (And I have frequently written that a good idea stands on its own merit.) But I also respect and understand why the stigma against npc mains and npc forum alts exists.

YK
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2013-09-24 20:53:37 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Just because they are in an NPC corp now doesnt mean they always were
…oh you mean the thing that's very easy to check?

Quote:
Your statement is displaying your own ignorance.
Not really, no, because that is indeed what it suggests (especially when combined with the kind of misinformation they usually spread).