Jita Park Speakers Corner

I am not going to go through this thread, but I will give my input and hope that CCP listens:

I have no issue with scams in game, lets get that out of the way first, my issue is that scams and spying are so easy as there is nothing in game to link accounts, this makes Eve effectively Scammers Hello Kitty on line. You run out of money, activate account 109 and grab what you can, oh dear CCP lose another customr, what do I care, HTFU, lol, I can see the replies to my post already.

Eve could be truly great if you linked accounts, to be blunt all this talk about the TOS is just hot air, I suggest that you have the ability at the API level to list all acounts run by that player and the player has the ability to allow that or not. This means that I as a CEO can actually use something ingame to cover me from those Hello Kitty Scammers. Of course someone can get in corp, and rip me off because I am a dictator and they don't like the cut of my jib, but I on the other hand can watch for the signs and remove his roles etc.

If someone wants to spy then all well and good, they do that as a player, all in, this means that the game becomes a lot harder, because spying and scamming become a lot harder and have consequnces. Bluntly put its so damn easy now I think most of the people who do it are utter jokes, and they act as if they did something really difficult, it isn't, I have utter contempt for kidding yourself. Is this game supposed to be a war game, well it isn't because spying is to easy, its a silly simple spy and scam game.

People ask why is it turning into a blob, well that is easy, the blob is the only way to defend against your attack plans being known by everyone, or you keep it so small that you are irrelevent, thats me by the way. Why don't people keep resisting, well if you have more spies then soldiers in your fleet that is another answer, I remember one fleet where multiple spies decloaked their SB to ruin an attack and they made up more than 50% of the fleet, and in truth I was not surprised.

So CCP if you don't change this then watch people who want a hard game (not a game made hard by impossible to deal with meta gaming) decide that Eve is not the game and go do something else. And playing sementics with the TOS ain't going to do anything!

The Minerbumping blog is the official website of the New Order. On the website, James 315 specifically states that anyone who claims to represent the New Order, does in fact represent the New Order, regardless of which corporation or alliance they belong to. Therefore, it is impossible to falsely present yourself as a member of the New Order.

First of all, I've no problem with game mechanics that help protect players to some degree, such as Crimewatch and CONCORD and security status. Game mechanics are objective criteria and rules. They apply equally to all players, without prejudice. I'm also in favour of educating players about EVE and its many dangers.

My problem lies with subjective rules, such as those in the EVE Online Naming Policy and the Terms of Service. Subjective rules will always be applied unevenly, even given the good intentions of CCP Games. I think where possible, CCP should strive to eliminate subjective rules and replace with either objective game mechanics or work to further educate players.

Two simple things CCP can do. First, fix the font. Especially so that a lowercase "L" does not look like an uppercase "i".

Second, a UI window that educates. Below I include an example of a very simply UI window that would allow CCP to eliminate all rules concerning impersonation and representation of other players from the Naming Policy and the Terms of Service documents. The only rules remaining would pertain to impersonation or misrepresentation of CCP employees and representatives. Otherwise, everything else is fair game and it is up to the players to protect themselves and to protect their own reputations.

(Rules concerning the alteration of EVElopedia and other CCP web properties are another matter altogether. I've no problem with those being off-limits where impersonation and representation are concerned.)

The UI window below works two-fold. Both as a warning to players and as an education into the harsh realities of EVE Online. The window also ensures that new players are educated on the realities of EVE early. To ensure that players receive said education, the UI window would appear before the completion of all contract, send money and trade transactions. The window would function in completing or cancelling those transactions. The window would appear a minimum of 10 times (thus the counter in the lower left corner) before it could be disabled via the option menu. All players are forced to see this window at least ten times during their EVE subscriptions, thus no player can claim that they were unaware of fraud, extortion and racketeering among players.

(THE UI WINDOW IMAGE)

Thoughts? The text can obviously be altered and extended as necessary. And I wrote it fairly quickly, so there are some silly grammar errors in there. And yes, I used an old EVE font for the mock-up, which is a problem font. I simply used it for aesthetics.


from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/09/is-it-ccps-job-to-protect-players-from.html

I think it integrates nicely with some other proposals. I would add the following:

* Tutorial missions for each of those points (e.g. getting scammed by aura as someone put it in an earlier post)
* Links form your bullet list to those tutorials
* Mechanisms to do player lookup in-game: Information agents much like locator agents that finally integrate some sort of unified lookup
* And a tentative alt lookup - something like "known associates" but nothing definitive, just info suggests that there could be a connection between and a percentage :P to keep it interesting

That is so not gonna work. A solid part of the people being exposed to this will see this in a 'hurry', clicking it away the first time. And then not reading it afterwards, cause they are in a hurry again.

Spamming the user with such stuff is bad - the rules need to be written down somewhere else, but not ingame. Ingame is no place for a ToS-info. Even worse, forcing them to read this stuff that is like irrrelevant to 96% of the playerbase, even ten times, will just not do any good.

Just recently noticed the same with the board/eject notify, it actually tells you for years that your ship 'can' explode if you eject. It probably told me that 1200 times, same for a lot of corpmates. 90% of us used that button everyday and never read it. One guy logged in at one point and said: 'sure they do, did you never read that?' - 'No, first few times was reshipping on a POS and afterwards we only read *confirm eject*'
^ This is exactly what will happen to the notification-spam.

Ed: If you want anything like this to ever work, it needs to only appear when it has a meaning - currently every pop-up there is in eve is basically just a distracting pain in the ass, telling you ALL the POTENTIAL effects of your doings. They flood you with so much, usually at that time irrelevant/useless information EVERY TIME, that you just stop caring. Like declining a factionmission and getting shot by the navy outdoors right afterwards.

It is so nice to see that all of the GMs are on the same page on this issue, and are clearly communicating each other so that they all understand and interpret the policies in the same way, and that no posts from GM representatives have ever been in direct contradiction with each other.

It is also very reassuring to know that the GMs are most likely applying rules and discipline in the same equal and uniform manner that they have demonstrated in their understanding of the impersonation policy.

/sarcasm

So it looks like this issue is resolved.

It's fallen out of the news, and there's only a few posts to the only thread about it every day. Case closed.

I honestly hope this isn't the case. I would love to see the rules laid out in an example driven manner, or to have transparency of process in order to understand what precedents were being set and to allow the community to monitor any modification of this. Or both!

Maybe you can do something about impersonating trough characters selling, because i fell victim to this
once, and I cannot go on forums and search every character that i know in game to see if it has been sold
or not.
The employment history should show when a character has been transferred to another person.

The latest Wicked Princess/Black Legion titan kill (where an alt spy turned off a POS protecting a titan) is precisely the kind of action that could now be petitioned and perhaps reversed under these new rules, given the results of the GM escalation lottery. Moreover, a similar action could receive different rulings given the interpretations of different GMs, thereby resulting in player confusion with regards to the rules and justifiable impressions of favoritism with respect to different in-game entities.

Stop pretending you ever policed misrepresentation, and rewrite the rules to reflect the game that we all have been joining and playing for the last 10 years.

I assume it has been petitioned, but we'll never find out since it cannot be discussed?