Crime & Punishment

Not true, could you see what would happen to ore prices, and ship prices if they never got killed? The NPC's in the roids are no threat at all. Even when 4 pop, they drop shields down two maybe three bars before the goblins get them. You are asking Hi-sec to be completely safe if you remove gankers. Make it any more safe and than you will see the whinning threads about how the market is tanking. let's not even bring up what will happen to ice. Did you not see the market jump when during the last Ice gank fest?

To the OP, still lost and clueless, the only one jumping subjects is you, when points are made you can not counter you type "snore" or attack someone based on posts in other threads. The only thing I can see is if a GM looks in and takes the time to try and explain how wrong you are. I know a few ISD have in other threads you might want to go look them out (but that would take work and study) something you have shown already you are not capable of doing or too lazy too.

I am a ganker, I think Hisec is worth saving same as EVE. (borrowed from Bing) But I don't just gank, just like many others.

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This is a sandbox game.

Since when is "because I can" not good enough?

I type *snore* when someone tries to create me into who they wish I was rather than who I am. You want me to be your demonized care bear instead of the resident of 0.1 space that I am.

If "Saving High Sec" is the goal how would your "mission" (which really is a thinly veiled extortion/hired muscle racket to get "donations" from those mining in secure null-space who want prices supported and sell "permits" to those afraid to lose their ships in hi sec...) be affected if ganking was made harder?

You claim to be committed to this "noble goal" so what then do you care? You would persist of course because you are a true believer in the cause, aren't you?

The OP is not about ending ganking, it's about giving the motivated real Kill Rights that work so they can take care of their own business instead of the sad joke they are now. This is about improving an existing game mechanic that is broken and does not work...you are living proof.

Those that are in the ganking business FOR PROFIT are who I am after. With a slight buffing of the rights they can be put out of business as it can become no longer economically viable for them if they begin to lose more than one worthless ship after a profitable score.

You can continue on your merry way with your evile dude -10 role playing saving Eve schtick and it won't matter a bit.

So what's the problem?

"I type *snore* when someone tries to create me into who they wish I was rather than who I am."

I looked you up (than again I am not lazy) did you even bother to see my section status before you called me a -10 evil dude?

L2p really, game is fine, it's not meant to fix broken people.

Oh and I love this outright lie right here.



lolwhat? Emphasis mine, by the way.

First, you tell me why it shouldn't be profitable. Why shouldn't someone be able to make money ganking miners? Just because it offends you? Hate to tell you this, but no one in the game, devs, players, rats or bots thinks you are that important.

Second, you tell me about why we need another nerf when ganking has already been nerfed more than anything else in the history of this game except the Drake. (which is saying something, the motto of CCP might as well be "we hate the Drake and everyone who flies it" )



They already have, time and again. Once more I reference the frequent and unceasing nerfs to ganking throughout the game's history.

They already have proved that they will carry on despite the insurance removal, the 5 separate Concord buffs, the can flipping removal, the safeties, the crimewatch changes, the sec status revamp, the barge buffs, etc, etc, etc.

Enough is enough. If anything, ganking needs to be buffed, because the number of complacent fools running around these days (the OP very much included) needs to be trimmed down a notch. It's time people learned that the responsibility for their own safety rests with them.

Time to pull the weeds in the garden of New Eden.

Not protected by Concord, no. I am neg 5 at present, hoping to be neg 7 at least by the end of the week.

So, because profit exists elsewhere... no one should be able to profit in highsec at all, right? I mean, what's good for the goose is without doubt good for the gander. That, and ehonor, I suppose.

Oh, and people can shoot back in highsec, idk where you get the idea that they can't. Matter of fact is that most don't, but that certainly does not mean that you can't.


Those guys have expenses, you know. Even beyond what they do with Tornados that they lose, they also need to profit enough to buy tags to reset their sec status. It's also a fairly risky proposition, as you can easily get shafted by the loot fairy.

Mostly they preen out the uber stupid from the game, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Why should someone flying with 8 billion in a freighter be allowed to have any kind of safety?



Wait, so because highsec "victims" refuse to do anything to not get killed, that somehow means that we do not deserve profit for killing them? You need to understand, it's not that these people cannot avoid getting killed, or that they are unable to fight back. They just don't. Mostly because they're too lazy, but the reason is immaterial, they don't, not that they can't.

So, basically, nobody should be allowed to attack anyone in highsec if they stand to profit from it? And if they do, it's an exploit? What the hell, dude. That does not make any sense to me.

It really offends you that people have figured out a way to take advantage of other people's greed and profit from it? The people flying the freighters are at fault here, honestly. Dangle some meat in front of the lions and they're bound to take a bite, as I have heard said before.

You are not protected by Concord no one is, and that is yours and many Hi-Sec's people problem they assume Concord is there to protect you. They are there to punish those who break the law of hi-sec, by taking a ship they broke the law with away.

Just because someone choose not to fight back does not mean they can not. "Time to weed out the Ticks, Fleas and Leeches of Eve. You get the idea" I agree, move all rocks and ice to low/null. Only let civilian BP's to be used for construction in hi-sec, and move all missions above l2 to low and null.

Those who gank on occasion, or go fly out to low/null to rat their sec status back up, or use those new sec tags are "protected" by CONCORD in the sense that "you will lose your ship to us" is a pretty effective deterrent (not to mention the 15 minutes of being stuck in station).

Granted, pilots in your position have no "CONCORD protection" ... but I see less pilots in that position than "weekend warriors" with generally high sec status.

With that said, most of the barges these days have enough EHP solo that with some good support (Orca for mining links + Vulture with shield links; though I guess the Orca could sport a Shield Harmonizing link in the third high), you should be able to survive against several cattys long enough for the cavalry to arrive ...

but that does assume the miners have a tank fit, and aren't gimping their boat for yield ...

If someone's out there suicide-ganking marauders and T3 cruisers with a handful of destroyers, please tell me how. As for miners/haulers---CCP gives them a buff every expansion and they respond to it by growing ever more careless and loading their untanked ships up with more and more isk with less and less time at the keyboard in favor of Netflix.

You can't patch stupid.