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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2011-11-15 12:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
KaarBaak wrote:

While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.

If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.


You're never going to get numbers from these guys.

CCP has, until recently, put the brakes on plex prices in game. They haven't done so recently. The question is why? I believe they want to increase their subscriber numbers now that NeX/Incarna development is shelved as they were both tide to WoD development.

During CCP's push to make us like Incarna they were wanting to switch to an MT model. Since that is all going away I would expect that they want to reclaim the subscribers they lost to solidify their financials. As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted especially in a lingering worldwide economic slump. Afterall, having a subscriptions means one can plan on a fixed fee, budget it in, not have to worry about farming to afford to play for free so that they can spend more time working to make real money.

This is, of course, only my opinion of it.

Don't ban me, bro!
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#62 - 2011-11-15 12:23:18 UTC
If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.

Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ?
Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
#63 - 2011-11-15 12:29:07 UTC
Jak'rat wrote:
rufeno wrote:
Carlos Aranda wrote:

maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?

and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?


you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?



No, a lot of people really do not understand this. Straight


This. My ex-ceo was like this. Nice guy, but slow. He was also thinking that minerals we mined are free and therefore we can sell the ships we build at lower prices than anyone else, since were not investing in the minerals. Trying to explain that he wrong was really painful.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#64 - 2011-11-15 13:39:59 UTC
Stop speculating. God Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Lexmana
#65 - 2011-11-15 15:15:08 UTC
Sam Bowein wrote:
If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.

Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ?


Why would you want to stop speculations?
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#66 - 2011-11-15 15:25:27 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:

While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.

If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.


You're never going to get numbers from these guys.

CCP has, until recently, put the brakes on plex prices in game. They haven't done so recently. The question is why? I believe they want to increase their subscriber numbers now that NeX/Incarna development is shelved as they were both tide to WoD development.

During CCP's push to make us like Incarna they were wanting to switch to an MT model. Since that is all going away I would expect that they want to reclaim the subscribers they lost to solidify their financials. As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted especially in a lingering worldwide economic slump. Afterall, having a subscriptions means one can plan on a fixed fee, budget it in, not have to worry about farming to afford to play for free so that they can spend more time working to make real money.

This is, of course, only my opinion of it.


Kidd my boy it's nice to hear someone say, "As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted" because I couldn't agree more. That model makes me feel all ookey. I don't like it. It just feels... dirty.

I mean it's one thing to do it for small, novelty games like perhaps Zombie Farm on phones but big studio, big immersion games; well I just don't want anything to do with it. I like my monthly subscriptions if for no other reason that I know what I'm spending each month. Not to mention I don't feel disadvantaged because I didn't buy some new item etc.

/derail

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#67 - 2011-11-15 15:42:17 UTC
Game over for me, then.
WuMaTih
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-11-15 15:49:13 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.

I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.

The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP.



Yet you go out with your girl for dinner and a movie and spend half your yearly subscription for 1 night of enterainment.. when 100$ in eve gets you 6 months of entertainment.
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#69 - 2011-11-15 15:50:08 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Sam Bowein wrote:
If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.

Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ?


Why would you want to stop speculations?

Because it only benefits the ultra-rich and one of these days the market is gonna crash with dire repercussions ?

Kind of like IRL I guess Lol
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2011-11-15 15:50:26 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Game over for me, then.


Heh and people says EVE does not have an end game. How wrong they were.
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
#71 - 2011-11-15 17:43:20 UTC
600M or 700M prices can't be sustained. Demand will collapse when people start closing extra accounts and/or start paying with cash. The theory about the supercap nerf causing this is very plausible. Severe depression of supercap market -> depression of plex purchasing (supply) -> price explosion. (As well as market speculation amplifying any change.)

The price will settle down once more people close/pay cash for their extra accounts due to the prices. I can see Plex settling at 450-500M in the longer term.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#72 - 2011-11-15 18:00:46 UTC
You guys are all wrong. Plex could probably go as high as 1bil maybe even 1.5bil and could stay there, quite easily.

The issue is that there are a large number of people now who have access to easy isk, namely incursions, and, if you look at it, you'd see that 1bil plex prices are easily sustainable given their isk generation.

A casual incursion runner can very easily make 100mil an hour, it's literally impossible to make less than this unless you are the FC and purposely mess up your fleet. At 100mil/hr, you make the money for a 1bil plex in 10 hours, and assuming you spend 2 hours a day doing incursions, it takes you 5 days (out of 30 in a month) to get your plex. The other 25 days you can spend that 2 hours doing whatever else you want. Some of it will be spent doing more incursions to make money for pvp ships, but again, you can make 1 bil in 5 days playing super casually.

So this guy will spend 1/3 of his playing time making money, and the other 2/3's doing whatever he wants. For many EVE players, carebears in highsec in particular, doing whatever they want usually involves just carebearing more, so I can bet you can they will just do more incursions.

This is why plex prices are shooting up, and will continue shooting up and won't stop at 700mil or whatever. The only thing that would stop it is a psychologic impact on the players, but any savvy (or ignorant) player will either realize what I'm saying here, or just not realize anything and pay blindly for plex prices.

If you're one of the maddies madding becuase you can't play the plex prices, how about you go run the stupidly lucrative incursions that are accessible daily for zero risk to all players.

And if you're rich, buy plex.
Jita Alt666
#73 - 2011-11-15 18:59:26 UTC
Yes Incursions provide a big tap and are by far the easiest way for a casual player to play for plex. However the number of incursions are limited. As the price of plex rise other less profitable income streams will be foregone as players turn to incursions. As the demand for incursions rise while the supply stays static the isk tap will start to dwindle.
Tovita
Future Stellar Corporation
#74 - 2011-11-16 20:42:19 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.

This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.


I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.


Ive been buying plexes for about a year now, last one was for 400 something, but i wont buy any more plexes for sure and i dont have any alts also. 500+ is no go for sure even if the isk income gets better.


Most item prices are about same same with ships also, so i rather buy ships than a plex for 500m 1b
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2011-11-16 20:44:46 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Counter.
CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.

Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks.


Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs?
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Sakurako Kimino
Eternal Darkness.
#76 - 2011-11-16 21:05:35 UTC
i really don't see a problem here at all, 600m thats 20m a day, less then 1 sanctum maybe 1 or 2 level 4 missions. i think that the plex price should be higher maybe 40m a day or even 50m aday its not even hard to make that isk (isk value not inc loot, salvage, faction items or lp)

eve is about sin

Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-11-16 21:07:06 UTC
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Counter.
CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.

Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks.


Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs?


Only because you have no idea of how many people were spending real money to be a big player in the game....Roll
In Delve, 3 of the stations we put up were paid for by a player, with lots of spare cash....Cool
Jita Alt666
#78 - 2011-11-16 21:33:23 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Counter.
CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.

Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks.


Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs?


Only because you have no idea of how many people were spending real money to be a big player in the game....Roll
In Delve, 3 of the stations we put up were paid for by a player, with lots of spare cash....Cool



Remember in the diversity in wealth is as wide in real life as it is in Eve Online. I have a mate whose Christmas bonus is larger than my annual salary. For him it is no problem to log into account management buy 3 gtcs for each of his closest "Eve Buddies" and say; "have a good new years guys". Unfortunately this is often accompanied by: "log in log in, something crazy is going down..." 3 times a week for the next 6 months.