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Where is my Nobel Prize!?

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Nuela
WoT Misfits
#1 - 2013-09-23 18:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
I have found many stars older than the age of the universe!

Nobel please...
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2013-09-23 18:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
My fellow team mate Cura has done the math and he said you are correct.

While i cant give you a nobel prize, i will unluck your thread! Congratunlockations! Blink

ISD Eshtir

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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3 - 2013-09-23 19:30:11 UTC
1. You are right. The stars in the eve universe are sometimes much older than you would expect.

The oldest star is 91102232369.3557 years old. 91 billion that is.

there are quite a few stars older than our universe:
>15 billion:
| 2595 |
>20 billion:
| 1967 |


>30 billion
| 1075 |


> 40 billion:
| 582 |


>50 billion
| 317 |


> 60 billion
| 136 |


>70 billion
| 54 |


> 80 billion:
| 9 |


>90 billion:
| 1 |




Given all that I would say you were in line for a Nobel, except for one thing.
You are not the first to notice this feature.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

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Nuela
WoT Misfits
#4 - 2013-09-23 19:31:05 UTC
ISD Eshtir wrote:
My fellow team mate Cura has done the math and he said you are correct.

While i cant give you a nobel prize, i will unluck your thread! Congratunlockations! Blink


LOL Thanks man!
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2013-09-23 19:31:41 UTC
I got these calcs by doing this query on the mapCelestials table from the database dump.

select count(*) from mapCelestialStatistics where spectralClass <> '0.0' and (age/31557600) > 90000000000;

replace the last number with your favorite billion.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

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Nuela
WoT Misfits
#6 - 2013-09-23 19:34:49 UTC
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
1. You are right. The stars in the eve universe are sometimes much older than you would expect.

The oldest star is 91102232369.3557 years old. 91 billion that is.

there are quite a few stars older than our universe:
>15 billion:
| 2595 |
>20 billion:
| 1967 |


>30 billion
| 1075 |


> 40 billion:
| 582 |


>50 billion
| 317 |


> 60 billion
| 136 |


>70 billion
| 54 |


> 80 billion:
| 9 |


>90 billion:
| 1 |




Given all that I would say you were in line for a Nobel, except for one thing.
You are not the first to notice this feature.




Ok...this...THIS is the smoking gun to my suspicion we live in a simulated universe.

Sure, there was the flashing planets that you could quickly see stars behind...and then when you warp away from them you see the stars int he SAME PLACE you saw them when the planet flickered.

I won't get into all the suspiciousness of simulated reality...but THIS, I think, proves we live in a simulated universe!
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-23 19:38:12 UTC
Nuela wrote:
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
1. You are right. The stars in the eve universe are sometimes much older than you would expect.

The oldest star is 91102232369.3557 years old. 91 billion that is.

there are quite a few stars older than our universe:
>15 billion:
| 2595 |
>20 billion:
| 1967 |


>30 billion
| 1075 |


> 40 billion:
| 582 |


>50 billion
| 317 |


> 60 billion
| 136 |


>70 billion
| 54 |


> 80 billion:
| 9 |


>90 billion:
| 1 |




Given all that I would say you were in line for a Nobel, except for one thing.
You are not the first to notice this feature.




Ok...this...THIS is the smoking gun to my suspicion we live in a simulated universe.

Sure, there was the flashing planets that you could quickly see stars behind...and then when you warp away from them you see the stars int he SAME PLACE you saw them when the planet flickered.

I won't get into all the suspiciousness of simulated reality...but THIS, I think, proves we live in a simulated universe!


Nope, EVE is real.

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ISD Cura Ursus
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ISD Alliance
#8 - 2013-09-23 19:39:54 UTC
That oldest star is an M9-V spectral Type according to the database.

According to wikipedia, that type of star can live for trillions of years, theoretically.

So......perhaps the Eve universe is just set in the future by about 80billion years.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
#9 - 2013-09-23 19:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Imiarr Timshae
I was going to say, considering that Eve physics are nothing like the laws of reality we have in our universe my interpretation was that the Eve Gate was a wormhole to an entirely different universe, with different physical laws and apparently also age.

ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
That oldest star is an M9-V spectral Type according to the database.

According to wikipedia, that type of star can live for trillions of years, theoretically.

So......perhaps the Eve universe is just set in the future by about 80billion years.



Where is it and what is its age?

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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#10 - 2013-09-23 19:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Imiarr Timshae wrote:
I was going to say, considering that Eve physics are nothing like the laws of reality we have in our universe my interpretation was that the Eve Gate was a wormhole to an entirely different universe, with different physical laws and apparently also age.

ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
That oldest star is an M9-V spectral Type according to the database.

According to wikipedia, that type of star can live for trillions of years, theoretically.

So......perhaps the Eve universe is just set in the future by about 80billion years.



Where is it and what is its age?



ISD Cura Ursus wrote:

The oldest star is 91102232369.3557 years old. 91 billion that is.


Edit:

I did some looking and found it was the star in Anatele'

I wonder how old the game will say it is? Anyone in that system that can "show Info" on the star and post the screenshot?

That would let us revise the math if need be.

ISD Cura Ursus

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-23 20:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ifly Uwalk
Arnatele

Edit: linking fail. vOv
stoicfaux
#12 - 2013-09-23 21:08:58 UTC
Time is a side effect, not a fundamental component of the universe. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280115&find=unread

Quote:
the new amplituhedron research suggests space-time, and therefore dimensions, may be illusory anyway.

“We can’t rely on the usual familiar quantum mechanical space-time pictures of describing physics,” Arkani-Hamed said. “We have to learn new ways of talking about it. This work is a baby step in that direction.”
...
That is, giving up space and time as fundamental constituents of nature and figuring out how the Big Bang and cosmological evolution of the universe arose out of pure geometry.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#13 - 2013-09-23 22:54:21 UTC
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
That oldest star is an M9-V spectral Type according to the database.

According to wikipedia, that type of star can live for trillions of years, theoretically.

So......perhaps the Eve universe is just set in the future by about 80billion years.
Or maybe the New Eden Wormhole transited space *and* time...

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-24 04:10:12 UTC
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
select count(*) from mapCelestialStatistics where spectralClass <> '0.0' and (age/31557600) > 90000000000;


I find the fact that you store the age of stars in seconds much more amusing than the OP.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-24 04:30:52 UTC
Devs please nerf the stars now !
They use falcons to cheat on their age.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2013-09-24 05:00:38 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
select count(*) from mapCelestialStatistics where spectralClass <> '0.0' and (age/31557600) > 90000000000;


I find the fact that you store the age of stars in seconds much more amusing than the OP.



by "you" I hope you mean CCP and not me, as this is a table from the data dump.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#17 - 2013-09-24 05:38:20 UTC
I ask myself that all the time...


... I'm not sure which subject that I'll wake up with an inspiration in and magically be able to produce a paper worthy of peer review (actually superior review I guess) and having all the experts say "How could he have thought of that"


I suppose I better get around to owning a football team and directing an oscar winning movie before i start working on the Nobel

.
Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-24 05:46:06 UTC
Well one of the other questions into this.. what was the Earth date when the New Eden wormhole collasped?
ZeeWolf Novus
Saor Alba
#19 - 2013-09-24 05:55:45 UTC
Garandras wrote:
Well one of the other questions into this.. what was the Earth date when the New Eden wormhole collasped?



8061 AD
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#20 - 2013-09-24 06:02:12 UTC
Maybe the worm hole to EVE was just a route to another Universe within the MetaVerse that much older than the Universe that the MilkyWay Galaxy resides in.

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