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Axzore Enderas
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-22 23:41:29 UTC
Hey all, I just started EVE and I'm pretty much planning on doing mining. This will let me enjoy the game while i can study. I used to play years ago, however dropped off due to some other circumstances. Now I decided to pick it up again, but since so many expansions have come out since I last played, most of the guides I'm finding are out dated. Does anyone have any good tips or know of some updated guides to look at?
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-23 00:43:42 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-balancing-mining-barges/

http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Mine in 0.8 or higher. Fit a tank. Embrace anyone who shows up to provide you emergent content.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-23 03:07:23 UTC
Don't. That's the biggest tip I can give you. I almost unsubbed when I was a miner. Thankfully I found other things to do in Eve.

But if you're commited to mining then... 0.5 systems offer the best ore in hisec, but also the biggest danger from ruffians who might want to kill you for some reason I'm not allowed to mention in this forum. So if you like AFK mining in a Retriever, I suggest you do it in 0.8 systems and higher. Try to get in with some guys or a corp that offers Orca boosts so you can mine faster. If you want to go to 0.7 systems and below, I suggest you figure the occasional Retriever loss into your business plan, or use a tanked Procurer instead.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Capt Gauss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-23 04:38:16 UTC
My advice is similar to Malcolm's advice... don't mine. It is something for bots to do and or people who enjoy multiboxing 20 retrievers and an orca. Solo mining is one of the things that should never be done once you have played this game enough.

Though if you are determined to learn this lesson the hard way why not some tips!

1. Don't mine in a procurer.... the yield simply isnt worth it.
2. For solo mining use a retriever, dont tank it, just do the typical 2 strip miners, 3 laser upgrades and 1 scanner. Reason being, if a person wanted to kill you... they will kill you. No amount of tank on a mining ship will save you. On the other hand, why not make the most money you can while they aren't here. I mined in .5s ~.6s for about a week or so before I stopped, and I was never killed. You can usually make the cost of a retriever back in a few loads anyway so why not.
3. If you are super duper serious on mining it may be worthwhile to go down the refining path. Refining your ore will make your profit per hour go up quite a bit, especially if you can do 100% refine.

Dont haul your ore to a tradehub yourself. Stock pile it and have a freighting corp like Red Frog Freight or Pushx do the work for you.

I personally will never go back to mining because there is much easier/passive isk to be made.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2013-09-23 10:35:49 UTC
Capt Gauss wrote:
My advice is similar to Malcolm's advice... don't mine. It is something for bots to do and or people who enjoy multiboxing 20 retrievers and an orca. Solo mining is one of the things that should never be done once you have played this game enough.

Though if you are determined to learn this lesson the hard way why not some tips!

1. Don't mine in a procurer.... the yield simply isnt worth it.
2. For solo mining use a retriever, dont tank it, just do the typical 2 strip miners, 3 laser upgrades and 1 scanner. Reason being, if a person wanted to kill you... they will kill you. No amount of tank on a mining ship will save you. On the other hand, why not make the most money you can while they aren't here. I mined in .5s ~.6s for about a week or so before I stopped, and I was never killed. You can usually make the cost of a retriever back in a few loads anyway so why not.
3. If you are super duper serious on mining it may be worthwhile to go down the refining path. Refining your ore will make your profit per hour go up quite a bit, especially if you can do 100% refine.

Dont haul your ore to a tradehub yourself. Stock pile it and have a freighting corp like Red Frog Freight or Pushx do the work for you.

I personally will never go back to mining because there is much easier/passive isk to be made.


other than point (1) being wrong (barring the procurer getting nerfed after the recent buff), the rest is pretty good.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
The Impaired
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-23 11:25:57 UTC
Capt Gauss wrote:
2. For solo mining use a retriever, dont tank it, just do the typical 2 strip miners, 3 laser upgrades and 1 scanner. Reason being, if a person wanted to kill you... they will kill you. No amount of tank on a mining ship will save you.


It's true that if someone wants to gank you, he will do it one way or another. But in almost all cases, gankers don't want to gank you, they want to gank someone.

Heard the analogy about running away from a bear? Humans can't outrun bears, but they can outrun other humans. And just like gankers, bears don't care whom they eat.

Bottom line is, unless they have some personal vendetta against you specifically, gankers will go for the easiest target. Fly an untanked Retriever and you're painting a giant target on yourself. Fly a tanked Procurer and you will likely never get ganked at all.
Death Reign
Asset Liberators
#7 - 2013-09-23 16:22:20 UTC
Don't listen to these nay sayers. Honestly do what ever you want to. Mining is a good steady money maker that you can do quite often while doing other things as well. Some stuff to help you out:

Quoting my own post from another thread:

Death Reign wrote:
ArrowWhich skills will I need to make the most of out the mining experience.
This depends largely on where you want to mine. If you aren't ever planning on leaving HiSec I reccomend getting Exhumers to at least 4 and Mining Frigs to 3. That will get you comfortably into Skiffs, Makinaws, and Hulks.

In addition to this Refining to 5 and Refinery Efficiency to at least 3 if you are staying in HiSec. Then the applicable Ore Processing Skills to IV. In Hi Sec you will find Veldspar, Scordite, Pyroxeres, and the regional Kernite, Plagioclase, and Omber. these Skills are what will get you the T2 Crystals in the T2 Modulated Strip Miners.

I also strongly recommend All the Rank 1 Skills to V. Engineering CPU Management, etc. Core Competency Standard would be a good Certificate to this end. Drones to V, Scout Drones to V, Active AND Passive Shield Tanking to Standard.

In Hisec your ships should be able to tank the belt rats until the cows come home with those skills so you can use mining drones to increase yield.

You will want Mining Upgrades to IV as well. That will get you T2 Mining Laser Upgrades. That also answers your second questions. Those go in Low Slots.

ArrowShould I stick with +4 implants or take the time to train to +5? I've read about foreman links, but do they work for a solo miner?
The Mining Foreman Links don't help you personally much but there are refining and Mining Yield implants that do Benifit from having Cybernetics V.

ArrowWhat would be the best solo mining ship? And if mining with a group does it change anything?

There isn't really a best "SOLO" Mining ship. The Procuror/Skiff can be heavily Shield Tanked which makes them a pain in the ass to gank. Gankers generally won't try. They will move on to a softer target.

The Retriever/Makinaw have very large ore holds, so I guess that as a solo miner this will be your first choice of ship as you can make slightly more in it without a hauler than you can in a Hulk.

The Covetor/Hulk are the pure yield ships, however to benefit from this you need a dedicated hauler. Another drawback here is that both the Skiffs and Mackinaws have more ability to tank. Though you will still have no issue with NPC rats in these.

ArrowShould I stick with one system and one kind of ore during my mining career ? if not where can I find different kind of ores to mine?

Find an area of Eve you like. The actual system doesn't matter though the Sec Status does. 1.0-0.7 will be the safest, while you will start to see occasional ganking in 0.6, and more frequent in 0.5 systems. Actual ore types as listed about you will find in HiSec. Once you decide to move to Null Sec you will want Refinery Efficiency 5 and the rest of the Ore Processing skills.

ArrowIf I want to branch out much later on into refining/manufacturing/transportation/trading (I realize this will take a long time but i'm willing to invest in it) how should I start with this, do I mine and keep all the ore I will amass for later use?

This is really a question for its own post but the short answer here, is Production Efficiency 5 and Mass Production 5.


Have a good day.