Wormholes

There is a reason why big wormhole alliances downsize or switch their focus to null/low sec pvp...

Blobbing is a natural thing in eve but if you abuse it, your corp/alliance may suffer as a result.

1) His name was Bald Eagle or something, a member of Insidious Design
2) We didn't invade them as such. They jus decided to give us all their ****.
http://themittani.com/features/w-space-adventures-insidious-takedown

As the standard John Q Wormholer, what are your thoughts on this?

As a member of a small corporation its disheartening to get blobed when all you want is a good fight. We advertise, and try to stick with it, the motto of "Lets try and kill something". HK opened into us a few weeks ago and we were ready to give a fight but were very hesitant at the same time worrying of the "blob". We offered an arranged numbers fight but HK was deployed at the time so they refused so w\e. I hope large wormhole alliances break up and go back to corporation, now that said there are single corp alliances that have grown to massive (by wormhole terms) sizes and they are honestly no fun from what I hear and see.

Are the large entities who are still left dirty blobbers?

Sometimes, but thats mean to say since a lot of the PVP that happens in Bobs domain are ganks in the first place. Its definitely blobbing if you had an agreement to a fight ahead of time

Are we vile trolls who are going to failscade in a few months. (everyone already knows that kill will failscade over a bottle of jack sooner or later)

Meh if you failscade it will be the alliance and you will go back to being corporations, and lets be honest you wont leave W-Space so what ever failscade away. I was rather disappointed to see HK joining KILL in all honestly, the pull of targets got just that much smaller for both enteties

Would you like to see your group of friends grow to the levels that the larger entities have?

Dear god I hope not. Being too big means your profile of engagement changes because people are less likely to fight you. Plain and simple

Would you join one of the large entities if you were given the chance or if the group of friends who tie you down to where you are split up?

We had some offerings and we turned them down. Personally I dont think I would I hate being a +1 in fleet.

Or are you content with being the smaller entity you are now?

Im happy right now, although a few more warm bodies in corp cant hurt us, we are small approaching medium size and thats a good spot I think

And for personal opinions about the major entities and their practices. Do you think our "bring fights or get invaded" rule is BS or do you feel its fair.

Invaded is a big extreme. We have met a few corporations that POSed up as soon as we came in but if we ask them for a 1v1 or 2v2 or something they almost always provide and thats good enough for us. We dont expect people to suicide and Im sure none of the large alliances would like to do that either.

Final question is in all honesty, when you roll into a major group that you aren't blue to. And you have sufficient numbers on, what are your honest thoughts? Do you turn tail and run, do you hope that they didn't see you, or do you get scouts out there and start doing the numbers game trying to see if you can bring a fight?

The latter would be the answer for SUSU, I'm not going to suicide my ships into your fleet but I will try to convo someone and maybe arrange a GF. obviously if the numbers are right Ill bring my cool toys or w\e but otherwise if I know you have 30 man fleet I wont willingly fight it with my 5 man fleet because my guys wont have fun. There is a balance there somewhere.

We provided as many people as we could and rivaled other corps in their numbers. Just because we don't enjoy something, doesn't mean we don't attend. Come on man..

I agree. It remains challenging as long as you don't overkill the content with players.

Speaking as someone who, until recently, had been in w-space for over 3 years. Throughout that time I have watched wspace deteriorate from what was once a awesome place to live and pew to something that I'm not so sure is better than nullsec. Even this god damn forum section, we nagged and complained for ages that we should have a section and have since proceeded to prove exactly why this crap should stay in the murky realms of fail heap.

With relation to the OPs questions I think james argent is right in his remarks, I think that its not the game mechanics per say that need to change its more of a social issue with the mentality of some groups.

I think being in a medium to small entities is much better because you develop much better relationships with your fellow members which is what makes this game so great to play.

Yes I would definetly say that KILL are trolls. The stuff with repo was no kind of achievement by you, it wasn't something that hadn't been done before, there was no 'gud fight' as you claim you were looking for it was just you guys desperately trying to generate content because none is willing to engage you freely. And you seem to keep forgetting you then whelped a large part of your fleet to snuff when you were extracting.

Also as a final note (I'm sure lots of players will try to say I'm wrong on this score) but give it enough time and nearly all the big blobby entities break apart, while the smaller groups keep happily swimming along. I'm sure many will refute this point but all I have to say is narwhals ate my duck who?

Those are my 2 cents, might not be correct. Might not be popular opinion but it is my opinion.

Edit: apologies for spelling posting from my phone

@Lloyd Roses

As for the politics behind that blue-pact - I just so don't care at all. The TL invasion was a **** move because they claimed to be there for the good fights. Everyone standing by as reinforcements basically saw that it had a strong similiarity to a perfectly planned eviction.

-Funny this considering it’s these guys who are pointing the hardest fingers at KILL for hypocrisy.

 
@Svodola Darkfury

Being a relatively small C5 corp, I can say that we rarely see fleets larger than 20 pilots engage us or try to blob us or whatever. I haven't seen KILL in a few days, but most of the time you guys don't scramble more than 20 pilots.

-Thank you, I think. You’re right; our fleets are usually pretty small. It’s those planned ops that we shamelessly blot out the sun.

No. With our current levels, with everyone having 2 or more characters, we're already hitting 15-20 man fleets where we think we're good enough to engage SSC (hint: we're not yet).

-SSC will not blob you ♥

@Corbexx

trolls most definetly, but some of the stuff you have done has been pretty funny (espaically that guy who ran for csm that was epic). failcade i doubt it, but will happly discuss it at next fanfest with you guys

-Will any of you be at Eve Vegas? :P

Big corps have blue list?? really. We dont but if we connect we'll normally happily go for a fight. I do think one slight issue is alot of big wh corps dont want to take fights in others home system for fear of being cap blobbed. We'll normally always go for it. but i think alot of others dont want to risk that.

-KILL was once in a coalition and were the first to dip out of it because we truly do hate having a blue list. We only have one wspace blue and you all know who that is. We’re always purging and adjusting our standings. I’m quite confident that NOHO, Pol., Dis., etc. have a longer list of blues than we do.

@Sith1s Spectre

In regards to the larger groups kicking around rolling into us, I have no problem putting together a fleet for some pews, but um not interested in whelping a fleet into something double or triple what we can field. In saying that if someone wants to arrange a fight we will generally always accept.

-And this is where people saying KILL is bad at Eve. We must be. We don’t craft masterplans of engagement (unless it’s an op, ofc). Lead Farmers will throw fleets into a fire. One out of ten times we’re too lazy to, but for the most part, we’ll engage anything. We just don’t give a ****, really. It takes so much more effort to sit around evaluating your targets when you can just get a fleet sorted and engage. We’ll arrange fights, too, but there are some who vaguely agree and end up doubling your fleet (Whale Girth [Disavowed.]) or straight up calling that sort of thing faggotry (Obstergo [Polarized.]).

 

@Malception

I'm assuming by "major" you mean anyone I've heard of and can reasonably expect a fight from, but what are "sufficient numbers?" Sufficient to blob them? Match them ship for ship? Regardless of numbers I'm generally up for a "fight" if I think I can win. I can't see much point it throwing my assets into a meat grinder "for the fun." That's not fun to me. I'd much rather win.

-I was smiling and nodding my head until this part. This, imo, is the very definition of being risk-averse. If you only fight to win and not to fight, then you’re ******* horrible. This is what gankers do. They strike when they’re confident the outcome will be in their favor.

I had a lot of time this morning so now this post… Why? Because you all care too much. What did REPO learn from our invasion? You can still have a good time welping. No, I’m not saying welp all your things into us. We’re not a meat grinder. “It’s not about KILL.” Oh, please…

Again, take a gander at our killboards and see how small we roll (really gais, look at our kb, pls,lololtyjesussaves420). We’ll give you free kills. We really will. I speak for my fleets, but feel free to quote me on this and say I’m speaking for KILL. I really don’t care as long as it helps extinguish the notion that we’re all in the same WH and blob all the things. You could also not give a damn about my long ass post.

And to all the smug, “we’ve had plenty of offers to join an alliance,” blah, cool story.

KILL is KILL because we’re all in love with one another, except Ayeson; we just wanna Eiffel Tower everything.

As the standard John Q Wormholer, what are your thoughts on this?

The only thing that pisses me off about W-space right now is when people who can fight, won’t. Invasions, blobbing, evictions, POS life, theft.… all those things are just part of the game. All of those things suck when they happen to you but at the end of the day, you undocked.

Are the large entities who are still left dirty blobbers?

I think alliances/corps can reach a critical mass. There comes to a point, where a wormhole connection can only hold the activity of a select few. What spills over, is unnecessary and simply put.. Extra. Clicks form and eventually people splinter off and do their own things. The really large groups that haven’t splintered off yet, kudos to them for having the ability to provide content for all their members. I do think though, when they come across a smaller group, restraint is admired, over victory. I’m not talking about ganks… I’m talking about the follow up fight after the gank.

Are we vile trolls who are going to failscade in a few months. (everyone already knows that kill will failscade over a bottle of jack sooner or later)

Maybe, only time will tell I guess.

Would you like to see your group of friends grow to the levels that the larger entities have?

I like friends with benefits. The benefits are, we **** (fight) on Friday night. Then go our separate ways. You don’t put my pet rabbit in a pot(take stuff personal), or try and burn down my house (remove me from w-space).

Would you join one of the large entities if you were given the chance or if the group of friends who tie you down to where you are split up?

No. My small corp has 0 interest in joining a larger entity. We have been offered spots in alliances in the past. People with great records. But my guys are more proud with what I have done to make our own way. Sure there is security in numbers, and being so small leads to a greater chance of removal. I built my pvp wormhole corp with the intent that fights take priority over pve. Content creators/scouts get paid! The more fights you find, the more money you make.

Or are you content with being the smaller entity you are now?

Yes. I think growth needs to stop when you realize 9 out of 10 fights would have been wins, if you left half your members at home. Not ganks. I mean FIGHTS.

And for personal opinions about the major entities and their practices. Do you think our "bring fights or get invaded" rule is BS or do you feel it’s fair.

I am behind this 100%. One of my terrors is, that I don’t honor my guests with some sort of fight/resistance. Even if it’s a 1v1 or 2v2 at the sun. Something. ANYTHING. The people you interact with in EVE are players just like yourself. To blue ball them as some sort of **** you is lame. On the other side of the coin, I’m 100% apposed to removing people who activity pvp. There are so few groups in wormspace that pvp on a regular basis, removing them randomly makes people be fearful and blob up more out of fear. W-space needs to be a shining example to the rest of EVE that we fight but we are still bros! We are cool duders and trash talking people is reserved for F1 null sec a$$ hats.

Final question is in all honesty, when you roll into a major group that you aren’t blue to. And you have sufficient numbers on, what are your honest thoughts? Do you turn tail and run, do you hope that they didn’t see you, or do you get scouts out there and start doing the numbers game trying to see if you can bring a fight?

Get in my gnosis, sit on the hole and hope to god they see me.

In our case [NOHO] you would be sorely wrong

Our blue for corporations is zero, we do have some cyno alts blue however.

Besides two incidents (nato 1 and 2) We have in fact never in our history had another corporation/alliance blue for more then 24 hours. And then usually because we decide to do some 0,0 shenanigans together with someone else.

**** blues in wh space it's all about finding the pew, kill the people u fly with one day the next day. why limit the possibilities.

As to blue balling, everyone does it at some point I don't think there is a entity in wormholes that at some point we haven't felt blue balled us.

So ******* what, one day the other guy might have 30 man fleet all active and no FC to step up or whatever, people take that junk to seriously heh.

As to blobbing, what happens a lot is people assume that the other guy has the same size of fleet that he brought the last time.
One time SSC jumped us with 30 peeps the next time we met we obviously assumed they would repeat that and so we pinged until we had a fleet to handle that size.
They didnt have a fleet that size and expressed annoyance that they thought we blobbed them. Next time they jump us they will of course assume that we have the same fleet size we had last time and not take a fight until they feel they can match it.

Human nature.