Wormholes

I was gonna just bump my last thread, but apparently it got locked for inactivity? Whatever so new thread WHOO. Can we keep the trolling down to a minimum in this thread? I know its strange coming form a kill member asking people not to troll but still...

So once again, I do not speak in any way shape or form for Kill it with Fire, SSC, VOC, or my corporation HK. I am a line member. Take my words as that of a simple line member. IE Dont quote me again and say that I am speaking for my alliance as a whole. You can quote me if you wish but dont twist my words to fit your own philosophy.

A certain news site brought this up recently and the questions I had back then are still pretty relevant today. Back then I made a thread about the political situation of wormholes. HK, Kill, SSC, and VOC had pretty much formed a non invasion pact with each other. We would still fight each other but we always had each other's backs if the dung hit the fan.

And did it hit the fan with the TL invasion. Everyone who is anyone in W-Space remembers this debacle. Both sides formed large fleets to either kill or save TL. In the end a bad call, tactical errors, and over eagerness lost the defenders the fight. We ended up losing the fight, but swearing vengeance on the perpetrators of this "vile and heinous act." BUUUUT then just about everyone who invaded promptly imploded unto themselves and burned to a crisp or had their homes blown out from under them. IE Blood Union and VOC killing W-space in a fight that ended up being larger than the HK invasion. *Shakes fist*

Most of the groups from the attacking side are either completely gone, or splintered so many times that they are no longer the forces to be reckoned with like they once were. They are people who roll their hole when just about any major entity rolls into them. And SYJ seem to live in stain now...

Since HK joined KILL and KILL became one of the largest, if not the largest I havent done a count yet and im very lazy, entity in W-space, I have to say my opinion has certainly changed on the way blobs work here. Before I always thought that we needed to stockpile massive amounts of dreads to effectively defend our hole because we would be blobbed by the 200-300 man fleet that invaded TL. But after seeing, and knowing, that most WH entities are not much larger than HK, let alone KILL, I dont fear for my safety anymore. I dont think that some 300 strong tech 3 gang is going to punch down our door and start a sparkle party in my house.

Instead I actually hope for the day that I **** someone off to the point of someone ACTUALLY bringing a fight to my doorstep. Cause I mean seriously. Even before we joined KILL people who we used to be afraid of were RUNNING from us. They were instaclosing any connection they had to HK. Even more so now that we have joined KILL. (Note not complaining here just stating the facts) Now days we have to go to null for our fights. Which is no big deal. Its always fun to roll out into null and watch people freak out. Like turning on the lights and watching the cockroaches scatter across the floor to the safety of the walls. Plus large entities are more than willing to do dumb things like dropping a nyx onto a wormhole to help with jamming...

All of this brings me back to my original question from 4 months ago. What is your opinion on blobbers and blue lists in WH space. After being on the other side of the fence and looking back, I now see both sides of the argument. The "little guy" is afraid of us at all times because he hordes his precious and will do anything to keep it. (read that in a smeagol voice if it makes you feel better) Where as the "big guy" just wants to fight. We dont care where, who with, what class, or how bad we win or lose, we just want a fight.

On the whole, most line members do not enjoy an invasion. Even if you are fighting an enemy that every single member, including inactives, can agree to hate, they wont enjoy the entire thing. They will end up guarding holes, staying up late hours of the night, avoiding friends and family, even calling in to work. Its not all fun and games. Granted they will probably talk about it with positive feelings later on, but the fact remains that invasions are not all fun and games. Its certain levels of fun mixed in with hours of tedium.

As the standard John Q Wormholer, what are your thoughts on this?

Are the large entities who are still left dirty blobbers?

Are we vile trolls who are going to failscade in a few months. (everyone already knows that kill will failscade over a bottle of jack sooner or later)

Would you like to see your group of friends grow to the levels that the larger entities have?

Would you join one of the large entities if you were given the chance or if the group of friends who tie you down to where you are split up?

Or are you content with being the smaller entity you are now?

And for personal opinions about the major entiies and their practices. Do you think our "bring fights or get invaded" rule is BS or do you feel its fair.

Final question is in all honesty, when you roll into a major group that you arent blue to. And you have sufficient numbers on, what are your honest thoughts? Do you turn tail and run, do you hope that they didnt see you, or do you get scouts out there and start doing the numbers game trying to see if you can bring a fight?

I know the other major groups get that same smile that they always get. If you dont know the smile I am talking about, remember the last time you had a hole open up into providence... That smile.

As always whatever you do, do in the name of bob. All glory unto him and blood of the carebears given unto his majesty. He gives us loot and demands blood in return.

Witchway get out of here, you are ruining my plan.

I do agree its painful and horrible to do but i don't agree that making it easier to evict people is the answer as it would just result in a lot less active systems if they have no protection at all.

I do love my old SSC/KILL blue donut though, keep blobbing them all.

Large corp and large alliance join up to form a blob-more alliance and they're not scared of being attacked?
Say it aint so sherlock!!!

As someone who has been in large corps, medium corps and small corps in WHs, being in a small corp is way more fun.

Rolling into large groups is great. Theyre extremely fun to troll and tend to take it way worse than smaller groups.

As for having blues? Wouldnt know. If it isnt purple, it's fair game.

In my old corp we were rolled into by SSC. They politley asked for a fight and we denied. The reason for this is that earlier we engaged them on the wormhole, trapping their fleet in so they lost the ability to escalate endlessly (what you call blobbing). The fleets was rather evenly, we fielding some BS and a archon for logi and they having 3 guardians and a decent t3 fleet. Some kills were made but basicly either fleet coudlnt break the logi of the other. However. By accident, or by batphone, KILL joined in on the fight doubling the numbers already fielded by SSC. Ofc we lost the fight at this point. But when SSC then rolled into us again we denied them because suiciding is only fun to a certain point and we knew they would outnumber us rather than loose.

Now this is some months ago and I will try my best to bring a fight next time they roll into us. But I do think it illustrate some of the mentality a lot of the smaller entities might struggle with.

The way I see it the big coalitions have built themself a fortress that most wont take on. Hence noone does. Your safety is also depriving you of challenges. In contrast me and my group have been on the recieving end of 3 invasions the last 6 months. It takes its toll on our members so we are looking at blobbing up atm.

But the issue described above is mainly a issue for the big entities who none of the smaller ones wants to fight. There are however a lot of examples on smaller groups having a great time in wh-space getting good fights on a daily basis. In such a way it is better to have a huge coalition but smaller numbers in each corp so that if you get invaded its easy to defend with big numbers but when you hunt or look for fights you are small enough to get fights.

tl:dr your too big for wh space. grow smaller and you get more fun.

Haha yes evil c5 peolpe. Out to **** and pillage the lot of them :P

Personally, I'm not a fan of the three day siege of another group's hole. As stated before, it is just not fun. It honestly does just turn in to ganks. I'm not a fan of "fight us or get evicted". Having said that, if the alliance calls for us to help, we go help.

Suicide is the newest and smallest corp in KILL, and you are much more likely to find us nosing around for fights with 10 or less. Chances are, if you come across us, we won't have much for numbers, but we'll likely give you a fight. And we'll happily die to you as our name suggests.

Are the large entities who are still left dirty blobbers?
Being a relatively small C5 corp, I can say that we rarely see fleets larger than 20 pilots engage us or try to blob us or whatever. I haven't seen KILL in a few days, but most of the time you guys don't scramble more than 20 pilots.

Are we vile trolls who are going to failscade in a few months. (everyone already knows that kill will failscade over a bottle of jack sooner or later)
Maybe? I think the environment you live in helps promote the longevity of your corp. Heaven's End has been around for a year and a half now because we're drama free and are able to fight larger groups now as well as farm lots of liquid ISK.

Would you like to see your group of friends grow to the levels that the larger entities have?
No. With our current levels, with everyone having 2 or more characters, we're already hitting 15-20 man fleets where we think we're good enough to engage SSC (hint: we're not yet).

Would you join one of the large entities if you were given the chance or if the group of friends who tie you down to where you are split up?
Not likely. I'd hate to get lost in the ranks and I really, really like having easy access to ISK without 140 other pilots to worry about.

Or are you content with being the smaller entity you are now?
Yep.

And for personal opinions about the major entiies and their practices. Do you think our "bring fights or get invaded" rule is BS or do you feel its fair.
Within reason. If people don't have the numbers online to fight you, they don't have the numbers. If you've tagged 10+ online pilots, and 3 of them are sitting in guardians in towers, MAYBE they're dodging the fight a little bit.

Final question is in all honesty, when you roll into a major group that you arent blue to. And you have sufficient numbers on, what are your honest thoughts? Do you turn tail and run, do you hope that they didnt see you, or do you get scouts out there and start doing the numbers game trying to see if you can bring a fight?
Numbers game. The only entity we've run from recently was Verge of Collapse, because they were on us like white on rice and we had 3 people, 8 characters online with absolutely no intel about what they had. Generally I try to engage whenever I am able; that being said I also like to win so I rarely engage larger entities unless it's on terrain where I think I will win.

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You talked a little bit about people you used to be afraid of running from you. This has been happening to us a little bit lately. The only people we can really count on for fights are the big C5 corps who are known for it, or morons who tackle our bait skiff and hang around as the T3 fleet descends. We still get plenty of kills because we're not being stupid with our visible ships/probes, but it is a little bit annoying/endearing.

Invasions are stupid unless its a grudge match. You're just pushing somebody out of wormhole space that could be killed in the future. If somebody is denying you every time you show up, sure, do your e-honor thing and torch them; but make sure we're not torching anybody that PVPs. Also, when do I get my SMA spewing ships everywhere again?

Svo.

♥ you too. We can discuss our failscade soon™