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L4 missions BS.

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Maethilar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-21 03:44:27 UTC
Simple and direct, which is the best BS for L4 missions right now:

Navy Scorpion
Navy Raven
Rattlesnake
Dominix

Most of my skills are in drones and missiles, so no gunboats now.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-09-21 03:58:14 UTC
Drones and missiles basically means a Rattlesnake.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-21 07:58:45 UTC
Machariel.
I notice that this was not on your list.
Add to it.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#4 - 2013-09-21 08:05:24 UTC
RS.

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Ami Quintero
Royal Trading
#5 - 2013-09-21 10:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ami Quintero
Maethilar wrote:
Simple and direct, which is the best BS for L4 missions right now


It depends greatly on your definition of "best".

Dominix, Rattlesnake, RNI, SNI, Machariel, TFI, Golem, Tengu are all "best" given reasonable assumptions.

More relevantly, the RNI, SNI, and Golem are all essentially equivalent. The difference in your mission completion times will be negligible.

The Dominix and Rattlesnake go in a different group. They also do pretty similar DPS to eachother, though the RS is generally thought to be superior given enough SP (and especially since you say you have good Missile skills, but not Gunnery).

Which group (RNI/SNI/Golem vs Dominix/Rattlesnake) is better depends on the mission, your skills, and how much attention you're willing to pay.

Machariel, Tengu, and a few very specialised ships (e.g. a Shuttle for Recon) go into a third high-intensity group where you trade risk, attention-span, bling, and SP for faster blitz times.
Kasutra
Fleet Angel's Security Corporation
United Federation of Conifers
#6 - 2013-09-21 10:47:05 UTC
Maethilar wrote:
Simple and direct, which is the best BS for L4 missions right now

That's not an answerable question, sorry.
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Drones and missiles basically means a Rattlesnake.

Armageddon works too.
Maethilar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-09-21 16:52:34 UTC
I've tried the Armageddon but i think the domi and rattles are better with drones and easier to fit.

As for a rattle i see a lot of people talking about passive fitting it, I have some experience with passive fits but I really think that the rattle needs to be active tanked, unless I'm not seeing something important about it. Any thoughts?
Aivo Dresden
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-21 17:11:20 UTC
+1 Rattlesnake. It is by far the most versatile of all BS in that list. It also depends who you're doing missions for. Some factions will have a lot of missions against ECM heavy targets.

You kind of answered your question yourself though, you want drones and missiles ...
Marc Callan
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#9 - 2013-09-21 18:33:57 UTC
The Rattlesnake can passive-tank - in fact, I don't think there's a single ship in the game that can passive-tank better - but it's probably more efficient to active-tank it, which won't require as many slots, leaving more room for things like omni tracking links, drone damage amps, and offensive rigs. Rule of thumb: the more you can crank up your outgoing DPS, the less incoming DPS you need to worry about.

It means a more active play-style, of course, and you give up easy mode for probably more ISK per tick.

The Raven's often the more preferred ship for missioning for the same reason people keep saying the Machariel's the One True Mission Runner: its bonuses are all geared to offensive firepower, while the Navy Scorpion and the Rattlesnake trade some of that for their massive shield resistance bonuses. Effectively, it means that the Scorpion and Rattlesnake are safer but less efficient mission-runners.

The Dominix has been rejiggered to a pure drone boat, really, with the tracking and range bonuses to sentry drones putting it a cut above all the rest of the first-class drone boats. However, it can't fit any missile launchers.

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stoicfaux
#10 - 2013-09-21 18:46:52 UTC
Maethilar wrote:
Simple and direct, which is the best BS for L4 missions right now:

Navy Scorpion
Navy Raven
Rattlesnake
Dominix

Most of my skills are in drones and missiles, so no gunboats now.

Navy Raven.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-21 19:27:52 UTC
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#12 - 2013-09-22 05:50:17 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.


Never miss but almost never do full damage.

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#13 - 2013-09-22 09:37:52 UTC
Isn't the Typhoon / Fleet Typhoon meant to be good too now?

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marVLs
#14 - 2013-09-22 11:14:13 UTC
Currently in overall RNI is the the king of lvl4
Kery Nysell
#15 - 2013-09-22 12:08:10 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.


Never miss but almost never do full damage.


No.

With Precision Cruise missiles, a couple of T2 Rigors and a T2 Flare, even without a Target Painter, Frigates go down in one volley, Elite Frigates in three at the maximum. Same thing for the Cruisers and Elite Cruisers. That's maybe not full damage, but close enough for efficient mission running times.

With Fury Cruise Missiles and the same rig setup, you apply full damage to Battlecruisers and Battleships.

...

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-09-22 15:13:43 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Isn't the Typhoon / Fleet Typhoon meant to be good too now?

Typhoon has two bonuses to missiles.

Fleet Typhoon has still old style split weapon systems and split bonuses.

Typhoon works great now, no need to waste isk on Fleet Typhoon.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-09-22 15:15:43 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.


Never miss but almost never do full damage.

Rats die, I get isk for my monthly plex, I win.

You like micromanaging your drones and missiles, fine, fly Rattlesnake. I got better things to do.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#18 - 2013-09-22 16:27:09 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.


Never miss but almost never do full damage.


No.

With Precision Cruise missiles, a couple of T2 Rigors and a T2 Flare, even without a Target Painter, Frigates go down in one volley, Elite Frigates in three at the maximum. Same thing for the Cruisers and Elite Cruisers. That's maybe not full damage, but close enough for efficient mission running times.

With Fury Cruise Missiles and the same rig setup, you apply full damage to Battlecruisers and Battleships.


Just battleships. ER = 328, SR=270. But then everyone with a brain uses a TP.

Anyway you brought about the ultimate point, that nothing does full damage. As far as efficient mission times all 5 weapons systems can be made to win or fail. If you're setting the ship up to be "best" and not "favorite", the RS will get the quickest completion time more often than the other choices presented in the OP. Try them all and see for yourself, I have.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Cage Man
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-09-22 19:56:57 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Currently in overall RNI is the the king of lvl4


Not sure how you can even say this. With my half decent skills and Caldari BS 5 I get the same eft DPS on a RNi and a SNI, off the top of my head it was round 855. On the SNI I get better tank and can fit 2 x TP.
So while looking at stats in eft with the bonuses, the RNI looks better, give it a bash in game and you will be very surprised.

My NM will outperform any missile boat against EM weak NPC. Mach works great in anything that you don't need to do kinetic damage.

To the OP, if you don't mind drone management and being stationary the RS is a great ship.
The best ship is situational and is based on what people prefer to fly. I use a NM, mach and SNI, sometimes when I am feeling like a slwo night I will use the RS. Others prefer drones and MJD.. best is to get on the test server and see which one you like best.
Mathias Orsen
The Soul Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2013-09-22 20:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathias Orsen
Cipher Jones wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Navy Raven, Navy Scorp. One weapons system, great range, never miss.


Never miss but almost never do full damage.


No.

With Precision Cruise missiles, a couple of T2 Rigors and a T2 Flare, even without a Target Painter, Frigates go down in one volley, Elite Frigates in three at the maximum. Same thing for the Cruisers and Elite Cruisers. That's maybe not full damage, but close enough for efficient mission running times.

With Fury Cruise Missiles and the same rig setup, you apply full damage to Battlecruisers and Battleships.


Just battleships. ER = 328, SR=270. But then everyone with a brain uses a TP.

Anyway you brought about the ultimate point, that nothing does full damage. As far as efficient mission times all 5 weapons systems can be made to win or fail. If you're setting the ship up to be "best" and not "favorite", the RS will get the quickest completion time more often than the other choices presented in the OP. Try them all and see for yourself, I have.


Turrets and sentries have a much better damage application than missiles. of the ships on the OP, I'd go with the dominix for it's ability to mjd and just gardes at long range.
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