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Cynabal

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-09-21 11:31:56 UTC
Vihura wrote:
I have question ? What was logical reasoning to give cruises hull size interceptor agility, MWD frigate speed , 5 small drone, 400+ dps ??



You should fear the sight of any Vigilant on your Grid, not a Cyna, the only thing it's good at its run like a coward as soon as his tralala gets touched.
Ridiculous speed/agility? -I can agree on that but for everything else it's rather OK for a pirate ship

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-21 11:46:13 UTC
Vihura wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
If a cynabal is as fast as an interceptor, that is one ****** interceptor

Hi can you highlight in my post where I wrote the cynabal is faster than interceptor..



You chose a slow frigate, compare to at least an atron or slasher....you know the fast ones.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#23 - 2013-09-21 13:21:28 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Compulsory pedo-bear reference aside, the point that I tried to show case (without breaking forum rule about linking KM's) is that the OP flying a rlm caracal got caught with his pants down and blown to bits. And a short time later comes posting the same tired saw to nerf "x" I couldn't kill or escape.

I do give OP proper credit for posting with his main however. Others would have hidden behind a sock puppet.

Caracal loss was accident and i don't have problem with this loss. But I have question to you what is best solo ship vs cynabal, to catch it and hold in place or kill. Anyway dramiel was defended exacly tha same way you defend cynabal .
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#24 - 2013-09-21 13:24:31 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Vihura wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
If a cynabal is as fast as an interceptor, that is one ****** interceptor

Hi can you highlight in my post where I wrote the cynabal is faster than interceptor..



You chose a slow frigate, compare to at least an atron or slasher....you know the fast ones.

Do you want compare ehp and dps and dronte too ? I compare it to shield tristan with one nanao and it not slow ship
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#25 - 2013-09-21 15:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Cynabal is such a fine ship :(
Though if you want a capacitorand/or tank - and can neglect a little agility - can now also take a vagabond.
Think it is the same as a Dramiel, it's an engine with guns, that's pretty much all you get.


If you want to kill solo-cynabal, take XL-ASB-vagabond <.< (Cause tanks np and web+scram / speed avaiable)
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-09-21 17:42:41 UTC
Don't forget drones... Angel ships get more drones than any other pirate ship except Guristas.
Also don't forget sensors... they've got the best scan res.

Oh, and they've got a good amount of HP too, not the highest, but still very good.

So basically, they're engines, sensor system, guns, defenses, drone launchers... ie everything you want in a ship... ie overpowered.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-09-21 18:21:02 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Don't forget drones... Angel ships get more drones than any other pirate ship except Guristas.
Also don't forget sensors... they've got the best scan res.

Oh, and they've got a good amount of HP too, not the highest, but still very good.

So basically, they're engines, sensor system, guns, defenses, drone launchers... ie everything you want in a ship... ie overpowered.



You are such a ******* hater
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#28 - 2013-09-21 18:32:08 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Don't forget drones... Angel ships get more drones than any other pirate ship except Guristas.
Also don't forget sensors... they've got the best scan res.

Oh, and they've got a good amount of HP too, not the highest, but still very good.

So basically, they're engines, sensor system, guns, defenses, drone launchers... ie everything you want in a ship... ie overpowered.



You are such a ******* hater

Whether they're a hater or not is up for debate, but regardless you're ignoring the truth.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-09-21 19:04:09 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Don't forget drones... Angel ships get more drones than any other pirate ship except Guristas.
Also don't forget sensors... they've got the best scan res.

Oh, and they've got a good amount of HP too, not the highest, but still very good.

So basically, they're engines, sensor system, guns, defenses, drone launchers... ie everything you want in a ship... ie overpowered.



You are such a ******* hater

Whether they're a hater or not is up for debate, but regardless you're ignoring the truth.


Show me on the doll where the bad cynabal touched you.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#30 - 2013-09-21 19:22:11 UTC
Onictus wrote:

Show me on the doll where the bad cynabal touched you.


Wow, that's only the third time this thread someone has said that! You must think you're really smart and witty!
Night Sword
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-09-21 19:43:07 UTC
So many cry-baby b****es in this thread. Go back to WoW
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#32 - 2013-09-21 20:05:21 UTC
Night Sword wrote:
So many cry-baby b****es in this thread. Go back to WoW

So many constructive posters in this thread putting up logical and reasonable arguments as to why the "cry-baby b****es" are wrong. Astounding.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-09-22 08:58:47 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Night Sword wrote:
So many cry-baby b****es in this thread. Go back to WoW

So many constructive posters in this thread putting up logical and reasonable arguments as to why the "cry-baby b****es" are wrong. Astounding.



Dude got caught ratting, odds are he would have died to a T1 cruiser as well.

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-09-22 11:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Verity Sovereign
All the ad hominem attacks you want won't make an argument against nerfing the cynabal.

What happened to the OP is irrelevant.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-09-22 11:42:23 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
All the ad hominem attacks you want won't make an argument against nerfing the cynabal.

What happened to the OP is irrelevant.


Yes we know, nerf it all. Sounds exciting.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2013-09-22 11:58:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Trying again:

The cynabal is one of the weakest tanked ships. Unless it can maneuver in a spot where it cannot be hit (the existance of such a spot is a neessity to engage anything at all), it cannot fight. It is an excellent noobhunter, and works wonderfully in nullsec, but that's mostly to the locally deceased piloting skills, as years of relying on falcons have rendered most people weak and crippled.

The normal Cynabal is either 2 LSE or three LSE tanked, with the extremely rare exception of LSE/XL-ASB (i.E. this fit doesn't matter), has normally a point and eventually a web or dualprop for the 2 LSE varaiation. All got a sig of 180m+ in average, as most people only got shield rigging to III or IV. So it's a glowing star easily trackable by all it's predators: zealot, raildeimos, caracal, cerb, oracle, tornado, artymuninn, railvigilant, vagabond, any HPL or MPL platform, talos, railthorax, ishtar, absolution, railastarte, NOmen, Nexqueror to an extent, and lastly the Scythe FI all wipe the floor with a cynabal regarding either or both tank+dps-application.

What speaks in favor of the cynabal is it's faster align, but else a similiarly skilled cynapilot (not SP, actual piloting competence) running into any of those encounters on a solo basis will receive more applied damage than he is able to dish out most of the time, take 2 cnas and 2 of those and the cyna is even looking worse.

What is still speaking for the cynabal is the ability to carry TWO SETS of drones (EC-300 + warriors), with the ganking application of a flight of hammerheads. Those hammerheads are frequently ou-dps'ing your turrets on the side, to give a statement on how much of your 350dps barrage you're actually applying (rarely flew a cyna since the NOmen got revamped, cause the cyna got ****** exactly that moment)

So if you actually manage to die to a cynabal, it wasn't because that ship is sooooo strong on all accounts, but cause it's strong on one single remaining account: Mobility.

Besides mobility, the cynabal is getting out-damaged, out-drone'd, outtanked and in the case of the NOmen yet even outrun and held indefinetely cause unlike you, he does have the cap to keep those mods running using proper armorkite-fit. The only things remaining that have to fear a lone cynabal are shitfit T1-cruisers, slow SR-ships that can't apply dps back (that can sometimes be a 1bil hamlegion (*yay*) or just a very great navy brutix and a bunch of smaller stuff that is trying to fight the wrong fight, running ino exactly the same issues they'd have against any T1 cruiser for a fracture of the price.

Hope that is constructive enough to highlight the cynabal's remaining strength.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-09-22 13:17:43 UTC
The ragenought that is going to happen when CCP puts up its nerf thread is going to be so much fun.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#38 - 2013-09-22 14:31:29 UTC
P much can guarantee that much like HMLs, the drake, the cane and other stuff CCP will forget they buffed a load of stuff and nerf the Cynabal and Mach far too hard
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