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[ISODE] Live coverage of the Mantenault Referendum

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Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#81 - 2013-09-21 10:17:27 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

ATTENTION, CITIZENS!

Since 16 Sep YC 115 control over Mantenault belongs to the State.
Democratic elections has no more power on the planet, and proper meritocratic leadership should be set up already.
This farce with voting has to stop. Otherwise, it will be treated as a civil unrest and a threat to peace and prosperity of both the planet and the State.

If this threat will persist, culprits and self-proclaimed democratic leadership will be removed from the face of the planet with precise orbital bombardment strikes.

Only the merited must rule.


The Caldari State has no sovereign jurisdiction over Federation worlds. I remain confident that the Federal Defense Union and other Federate forces will respond appropriately to any and all assaults on our property.

Regardless, Diana Kim has no authority to pursue military action against persons not signatories to the capsuleer militia conflict. Any action taken must thereby be considered terrorist in nature and should be disregarded by any legitimate authority at an empire, planetary, or individual level.

I ask anyone considering assisting Diana Kim in pirate activity to reconsider immediately and allow the rule of law to continue its natural processes on Mantenault VI.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-09-21 11:06:45 UTC
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

ATTENTION, CITIZENS!

Since 16 Sep YC 115 control over Mantenault belongs to the State.
Democratic elections has no more power on the planet, and proper meritocratic leadership should be set up already.
This farce with voting has to stop. Otherwise, it will be treated as a civil unrest and a threat to peace and prosperity of both the planet and the State.

If this threat will persist, culprits and self-proclaimed democratic leadership will be removed from the face of the planet with precise orbital bombardment strikes.

Only the merited must rule.


The Caldari State has no sovereign jurisdiction over Federation worlds. I remain confident that the Federal Defense Union and other Federate forces will respond appropriately to any and all assaults on our property.

Regardless, Diana Kim has no authority to pursue military action against persons not signatories to the capsuleer militia conflict. Any action taken must thereby be considered terrorist in nature and should be disregarded by any legitimate authority at an empire, planetary, or individual level.

I ask anyone considering assisting Diana Kim in pirate activity to reconsider immediately and allow the rule of law to continue its natural processes on Mantenault VI.

Watch what are you writing, gallentean.
It is in fact my duty to protect natural processes, rule of law and proper meritocratic leadership on the Mantenault VI.
With given power to use orbital bombardment against military targets, I can destroy democratic terrorists, that present obvious threat to citizens and lawful leadership, bestowed by the State on Mantenault VI.

Democracy is obsolete and inefficient management type, where leaders are chosen not by their merits, but rather on how well they make the show to the public. While this territory is controlled by the State, it is our duty to protect citizens from such deviancy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#83 - 2013-09-21 11:21:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

ATTENTION, CITIZENS!

Since 16 Sep YC 115 control over Mantenault belongs to the State.
Democratic elections has no more power on the planet, and proper meritocratic leadership should be set up already.
This farce with voting has to stop. Otherwise, it will be treated as a civil unrest and a threat to peace and prosperity of both the planet and the State.

If this threat will persist, culprits and self-proclaimed democratic leadership will be removed from the face of the planet with precise orbital bombardment strikes.

Only the merited must rule.


The Caldari State has no sovereign jurisdiction over Federation worlds. I remain confident that the Federal Defense Union and other Federate forces will respond appropriately to any and all assaults on our property.

Regardless, Diana Kim has no authority to pursue military action against persons not signatories to the capsuleer militia conflict. Any action taken must thereby be considered terrorist in nature and should be disregarded by any legitimate authority at an empire, planetary, or individual level.

I ask anyone considering assisting Diana Kim in pirate activity to reconsider immediately and allow the rule of law to continue its natural processes on Mantenault VI.

Watch what are you writing, gallentean.
It is in fact my duty to protect natural processes, rule of law and proper meritocratic leadership on the Mantenault VI.
With given power to use orbital bombardment against military targets, I can destroy democratic terrorists, that present obvious threat to citizens and lawful leadership, bestowed by the State on Mantenault VI.

Democracy is obsolete and inefficient management type, where leaders are chosen not by their merits, but rather on how well they make the show to the public. While this territory is controlled by the State, it is our duty to protect citizens from such deviancy.


The people of Mantenault are currently in the process of deciding upon their model of government. The result of this will be known later in the evening. The Institute of Social Development will be happy to share the results of this with all capsuleers who wish to be informed.

What is clear, however, is that a Caldari ruled system is not an option on the ballot, nor is it an option in the hearts and minds of the people of Mantenault.

We have plenty government of our own thank-you. We do not appreciate, nor want, yours.

You will be informed of further developments.
Marnian Veroe
National Republican Party
#84 - 2013-09-21 12:22:43 UTC
This is exactly what we feared when the other parties decided to make secession with the government. Thanks to progressive core worlds white collars that probably never even set foot on low security colonies, and perhaps even less in the war zone, Mantenault is now back to the reality of the war and we face once again the reason why the NAG existed in the first place.

In any case, we are confident in the abilities of the FDU to turn the tide eventually, but this will obviously never settle the problem once and for all as long as Mantenault remains in the proxy war area.

People can continue to vote this masquerade, but true loyalists will make sure to repel the dogs that dare spoil our soil and our homes.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#85 - 2013-09-21 14:00:09 UTC
That's it, ladies, gentlemen and those otherwise defined! The polls have closed on Mantenault and now the counting can begin.

You can follow updates of the count here, or visit our referendum night party live at 'The Golden Masque' which starts now.

The Institute of Social Development recommends attendance!
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#86 - 2013-09-21 14:19:10 UTC
Valentina Nerialt is a third generation citizen of the Mantenault colony and one of the millions of Gallenteans going back to the polls today in what will be the second vote on the continued existence of the planet's National Administrative Government.

"It's been tough for all of us here. The past days have seemed to turn everyone on Mantenault into a political lecturer. So many opinions, so many debates. It's become the latest trend to be up to date with cluster politics." the colonial mother and spouse explained to an Institute of Social Development observer.

"I just don't know if I can decide to back what has essentially become the 'fad of the moment'. I have my family to think of, my wife and our child, and I don't think that their safety can be assured by a direct democratic model which has already caused our society so much trouble recently"

"The NAG ain't perfect, but it has done right by us. I'm just an ordinary woman, trying to raise a family under a renewed Caldari occupation. I'm no Ultra-Nationalist, but I have to stand by the NAG that has stood by us, you know?"

Quote:
VOTE COUNT:
Yes - 210 546
No - 223 101
Franseza Quiniou
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-09-21 14:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Franseza Quiniou
REPORTS OF SMALL-SCALE FIREFIGHTS AT POLLING STATIONS ACROSS MANTENAULT

Mantenault - Reports are coming in that small-scale firefights have broken out at several polling places across Mantenault between Elusenian peacekeeping forces and an unknown aggressor being described as "unusually well-organized" according to local sources.

At this stage, it is understood that actions by the unidentified antagonists have been unsuccessful in preventing the counting of the recently concluded referendum at targeted facilities, and that local authorities supported by ELPIDA have managed to drive off the attackers.

According to the Protevousa in Caerleon, only 23 instances of lethal firearms discharge have been logged by the Sub-Directorate of Defence. It is presumed that ELPIDA pursued its doctrinal standard of less-than-lethal engagement. The number of casualties at this time is unknown. As of time of reporting, voting results stands with 601400 ayes, and 598600 noes.

Franseza Quiniou
Political Correspondent
Caerleon Broadcasting Union
Franseza Quiniou
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-09-21 15:20:02 UTC
ATTEMPTED DISRUPTION OF VOTE COUNT FOILED; CAPSULEER INVOLVEMENT A POSSIBILITY

Mantenault - The ELPIDA Mission in Mantenault has released information that a small number of the attackers who attempted to disrupt the counting of the second referendum have been captured by indigenous forces, after a holdout by Elusenian peacekeepers drove the assailants away. The detained have been moved to a secure location to undergo 'expedient interrogation' by Mantenault militiafolk, who are widely known to have trained with operatives from the FIO's Special Department of Internal Investigations and Federal Security, better known as the Black Eagles.

In a short report after order was restored, a spokesperson on behalf of ELPIDA Mission Commander Seriphyn Inhonores stated that Elusenian Carabineros did not pursue the unknown militants after they fled, following an extended firefight that saw no reported injuries or death. Local militia captured a small number of the militants once their attack had been foiled. In the militia's own statement, they have pointed to the potentiality of capsuleer involvement in the preparation of the attacks.

This is a breaking news story.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#89 - 2013-09-21 15:40:41 UTC
"The ability of massive institutional groupings to mobilize massive political resources to dominate the debate goes against everything Mantenault is made of." was the scathing assessment of Latene local Con Leinan when stopped after voting by an Institute of Social Development observer.

"This place is about each of us getting our say in a community forum. We've never subscribed to this 'delegate' nonsense and we should never have let fear cause us to doubt our own convictions and our own ability to chart the best course for Mantenault."

"We're damned adults! We can speak for our own damn selves! Let's shut this perversion of a government down."

"Why do 'no' voters hate freedom?"

Quote:
Vote Count:
Yes: 2 000 015
No: 1 950 941
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2013-09-21 15:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
So - you've noted, no doubt that Mantenault is now under the control of the State Protectorate? I have some questions...

I was under the impression that the current authority, and by authority I mean lawful authority, in the Mantenault system was the Caldari State and, under the auspices of the lottery, whichever Megacorporation secured the rights to the system. Given this - what possible value do your elections have? Have you secured a deal with the governing authority to permit your exercise of this inefficient political drollery to continue? How in the name of the Winds did you EVER get permission to deploy Elusenian troops on the ground?

I am confused and also VERY concerned for the safety and security of the good people of Mantenault. So concerned that I am considering applying to Corporate leadership to have our OWN Kaalakiota Peacekeepers deployed to the planet to assist in whatever governmental transition should now be occurring.

I would be very interested in hearing why you think that the CEWPA legislation, signed by your own Senate and President, doesn't apply to Mantenault. Why you think that you should be permitted to pursue this peculiar, dangerous and inefficient means of self-government and why someone shouldn't step in to fix this problem before it causes a humanitarian tragedy.

Seriphyn, if it does become necessary to deploy Peacekeepers I'll be in touch with you to negotiate the safe withdrawal of your Carabineros - at this point it would be dreadful if accidents happened.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#91 - 2013-09-21 16:10:24 UTC
It is at this stage that the Institute of Social Development believes that it is capable of calling the result of this referendum. With factors including the decline in voter turnout and the majority of votes now tallied by the independent Elusenian commission, the Institute is prepared to make its projections.

As thing stand, the YES campaign has tallied 3 044 322 votes, which is trailed by the NO vote on 2 700 141. With this information at hand, we have determined that this referendum has been resolved in the affirmative, thereby dissolving the National Administrative Government and returning Mantenault to its traditional direct democratic system under the auspices of the people of the colony. This is not the end of the path for the people of Mantenault, but it is the start of a firm foundation through which they will be able to form government that is strong, secure, and stable into the future.

Once the end of the count confirms our projections, the work will begin on tallying the secondary motion on the ballot today, authorizing further actions to rebuild the damaged planetary network.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-09-21 16:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Ollie Rundle wrote:


I might well have missed the press release. Could you point me to where Roden has formally declared his support and/or membership of the Ultra-Nationalist party?


The majority of employees of Roden Shipyards are Ultra-Nationalist, he nationalized every major ship and weapons manufacturer under his government, and is the most war hungry president we've had since the Gallente-Caldari war. I don't care if he declared it or not, actions will always speak louder than words and his actions are that of an Ultra Nationalist.

Ollie Rundle wrote:
It would be interesting, however, if both of those assertions were found to be true as it would suggest that Roden - an extremely powerful political figure whose "big personality" style of presidency has continued to develop on and push forward the socially-orientated, progressive policies of his predecessor - is actually the leader of the U-Nats, a party who in modern times is one of the least influential and under-represented political groups within the Federation.


It's even more interesting how the allegedly least influential and under represented political parties, the U-Nats, managed to convince the Sociocrats, the second largest group in the Federation to come to their side when it's literally everything the Sociocrats stand against, or at least that's what they say.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#93 - 2013-09-21 16:16:23 UTC
That auction was invalidated by Tibus Heth going on a year ago. As the megacorporations have not restored the agreement between themselves since then, it therefore can be presumed that the Caldari Navy hold military control of Mantenault. Given that the FDU has recovered almost half of Mantenault space, it would be extremely unwise for unwelcome and unlawful forces to assert their authority with any sense of permanency.

As a Gallentean military commander, I answer to the democratic and civilian government of Elusenia. Given the severe implications of foreign invaders disrupting the ongoing political process, I cannot take action without the authorization of both the Mantenaultian and Elusenian government.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-09-21 16:18:47 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

ATTENTION, CITIZENS!

Since 16 Sep YC 115 control over Mantenault belongs to the State.
Democratic elections has no more power on the planet, and proper meritocratic leadership should be set up already.
This farce with voting has to stop. Otherwise, it will be treated as a civil unrest and a threat to peace and prosperity of both the planet and the State.

If this threat will persist, culprits and self-proclaimed democratic leadership will be removed from the face of the planet with precise orbital bombardment strikes.

Only the merited must rule.


The Caldari State has no sovereign jurisdiction over Federation worlds. I remain confident that the Federal Defense Union and other Federate forces will respond appropriately to any and all assaults on our property.

Regardless, Diana Kim has no authority to pursue military action against persons not signatories to the capsuleer militia conflict. Any action taken must thereby be considered terrorist in nature and should be disregarded by any legitimate authority at an empire, planetary, or individual level.

I ask anyone considering assisting Diana Kim in pirate activity to reconsider immediately and allow the rule of law to continue its natural processes on Mantenault VI.

Watch what are you writing, gallentean.
It is in fact my duty to protect natural processes, rule of law and proper meritocratic leadership on the Mantenault VI.
With given power to use orbital bombardment against military targets, I can destroy democratic terrorists, that present obvious threat to citizens and lawful leadership, bestowed by the State on Mantenault VI.

Democracy is obsolete and inefficient management type, where leaders are chosen not by their merits, but rather on how well they make the show to the public. While this territory is controlled by the State, it is our duty to protect citizens from such deviancy.



Oh shut the hell up.

There are factory workers with more authority than you, quit acting like you are a major player in this matter. You're probably not even in the same region as Mantenault VI.

Feel free to deliver your input, but stop acting like it's more important than anyone elses. You are nothing.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-09-21 16:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I am confused and also VERY concerned for the safety and security of the good people of Mantenault. So concerned that I am considering applying to Corporate leadership to have our OWN Kaalakiota Peacekeepers deployed to the planet to assist in whatever governmental transition should now be occurring..


As far as I'm concerned the planet is still under Federation control, hence the reason why the election is still undergoing. I would be a little suspicious of Caldari "peacekeepers" being deployed, especially that of a patriot bloc corporation.

In addition, I feel that Caldari boots would only add fuel to the flames. There will only be more violence and unrest if the people feel they are now under the control of a foreign and hostile nation. If the planet falls into your hands then feel free to do what you please, I just feel that sending in Caldari soldiers would not be a good thing.

Keep the safety of your own soldiers in mind as well. Gallenteans typically don't take the presence of Caldari soldiers very well. Look at the events leading up to the battle for Caldari Prime. RĂ©sistance fighters were parading the corpses of their Provist oppressors through the streets. Hell, there's even a rumor that a lonely old man has dozens of dead Provist buried in his garden

Gallenteans are naturally a peaceful people until you give us a reason not to be. "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" is the rallying cry for all oppressed Gallenteans, so It's probably best to give them your liberty.

I'm not authority on this matter and I can't forbid you from deploying them, but I just hope your reasons for doing so are as noble as you make them out to be.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Marnian Veroe
National Republican Party
#96 - 2013-09-21 16:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Marnian Veroe
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
So - you've noted, no doubt that Mantenault is now under the control of the State Protectorate? I have some questions...

I was under the impression that the current authority, and by authority I mean lawful authority, in the Mantenault system was the Caldari State and, under the auspices of the lottery, whichever Megacorporation secured the rights to the system. Given this - what possible value do your elections have? Have you secured a deal with the governing authority to permit your exercise of this inefficient political drollery to continue? How in the name of the Winds did you EVER get permission to deploy Elusenian troops on the ground?

I am confused and also VERY concerned for the safety and security of the good people of Mantenault. So concerned that I am considering applying to Corporate leadership to have our OWN Kaalakiota Peacekeepers deployed to the planet to assist in whatever governmental transition should now be occurring.

I would be very interested in hearing why you think that the CEWPA legislation, signed by your own Senate and President, doesn't apply to Mantenault. Why you think that you should be permitted to pursue this peculiar, dangerous and inefficient means of self-government and why someone shouldn't step in to fix this problem before it causes a humanitarian tragedy.

Seriphyn, if it does become necessary to deploy Peacekeepers I'll be in touch with you to negotiate the safe withdrawal of your Carabineros - at this point it would be dreadful if accidents happened.


Stay the hell away, keep your boots out of our homes, or this is not going to be pretty.

And they call us imperialists.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#97 - 2013-09-21 16:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
I have checked in with Gallentean military command in Mantenault. As of 1645hrs, Federal ground forces control all planetary strategic districts on Mantenault VI, as well as Mantenault VII, inhibiting Caldari military capacities systemwide by 25%. Any incursion by elements deemed unwelcome will likely be met with resistance by local Federal forces. According to current mandate, Elusenian Carabineros will not participate as a third party in any ground conflicts, but will respond with self-defence against any malignant with no legal presence. This may be subject to change depending on how the situation develops.
Jake Favre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-09-21 17:01:47 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:


I might well have missed the press release. Could you point me to where Roden has formally declared his support and/or membership of the Ultra-Nationalist party?


The majority of employees of Roden Shipyards are Ultra-Nationalist, he nationalized every major ship and weapons manufacturer under his government, and is the most war hungry president we've had since the Gallente-Caldari war. I don't care if he declared it or not, actions will always speak louder than words and his actions are that of an Ultra Nationalist.

Ollie Rundle wrote:
It would be interesting, however, if both of those assertions were found to be true as it would suggest that Roden - an extremely powerful political figure whose "big personality" style of presidency has continued to develop on and push forward the socially-orientated, progressive policies of his predecessor - is actually the leader of the U-Nats, a party who in modern times is one of the least influential and under-represented political groups within the Federation.


It's even more interesting how the allegedly least influential and under represented political parties, the U-Nats, managed to convince the Sociocrats, the second largest group in the Federation to come to their side when it's literally everything the Sociocrats stand against, or at least that's what they say.


You are quite dense, aren't you ?

The sociocrats stayed in the NAG knowing they still had the majority, thus, the power.

And Roden is certainly not the one that enacted the executive order 81042 since he actually fought like no one against that order, order which was a bet of the former president, Souro Foiritain.

Grade school indeed. Sometimes the state of our educational system makes me sweat.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2013-09-21 17:01:56 UTC
So to summarize this all, there was a vote which was apparently sabotaged where the NO vote won. Then there was an invasion and an occupation. A subsequent vote was cast which was apparently sabotaged where the YES vote won. Now there is another invasion at hand...

I don't mean any offense, but sometimes I've not properly appreciated knowing who I answer to in life.

Now, I really do.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#100 - 2013-09-21 17:12:55 UTC
There has been no planetary invasion and occupation of Mantenault VI since this political crisis began.