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Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
#1 - 2013-09-20 20:23:09 UTC
Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?What?
Trynya
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-09-20 21:02:59 UTC
Thinly veiled "Eve is dying" thread
Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
#3 - 2013-09-20 21:13:28 UTC
Not at all. Trying to understand if its just a coincidence, or something else is going on that I am missing.
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#4 - 2013-09-20 21:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: okoolos rimmer
Could have do do with the fact that nullsec mining got a boost. Or that there are no major wars at the moment. Or the fact that there are large stockpiles.

Alternatively this is just an evil masterplan by the evyl Mittani and his sidekick Mynnna the "puppet master".
There is also talk af shadowy cabal of tycoons hell bent on taking over EVE one isk at a time. Scc-lounge is rumored to be their lair.
Multivariate
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-09-20 21:40:15 UTC
Scrumpy Joe wrote:
Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?What?


My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-09-20 21:43:16 UTC
Multivariate wrote:
Scrumpy Joe wrote:
Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?What?


My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.


M&D really got worse recently seeing that it took 4 answers until someone nailed it.

But who cares, as long as the profit margin on the ships is the same?
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-20 21:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.

I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile!

Well at least I have a large stock pile I am trying to move.
Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
#8 - 2013-09-20 21:46:09 UTC
That all sounds logical Thanks ppl
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-09-21 08:24:52 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.

I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile!

Well at least I have a large stock pile I am trying to move.


Well the mineral requirement for Marauders & JF is minimal and Faction Battleships only require about 135m worth of minerals last I checked.

Marauders and JF have been explained (Moon Rebalancing) but for Faction BS the only explanation would be oversupply and therefore pricedrop. While this might be understandable for Minmatar ships at the moment it really does not explain pricedrop on the Machariel for example. Or did they make the BPCs lootable from the new exploration stuff?
Kithran
#10 - 2013-09-21 12:27:40 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.

I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile!

Well at least I have a large stock pile I am trying to move.


Well the mineral requirement for Marauders & JF is minimal and Faction Battleships only require about 135m worth of minerals last I checked.

Marauders and JF have been explained (Moon Rebalancing) but for Faction BS the only explanation would be oversupply and therefore pricedrop. While this might be understandable for Minmatar ships at the moment it really does not explain pricedrop on the Machariel for example. Or did they make the BPCs lootable from the new exploration stuff?


The pricedrop in the machariel is easy to explain - lots of talk about a machariel nerf coming.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-09-21 13:13:18 UTC
Scrumpy Joe wrote:
Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?What?


EVE is in RECESSION... because GTA is *THAT* good. Cool

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#12 - 2013-09-22 09:24:34 UTC
Highsec mining got a major boost, and we're between expansions. Just to be between expansions means to be oversupplied, but between the two you're guaranteed to be in a situation where ships are oversupplied. As a supplier of ships, I'm finding my margins to be weak, but turnover to be okay. And I'm positioned to be able to take advantage to respond to the changes coming when they're announced for the next expansion.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#13 - 2013-09-22 11:35:26 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Scrumpy Joe wrote:
Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?What?


EVE is in RECESSION... because GTA is *THAT* good. Cool


We need Dr. Ejyo Bernanke to spam some trillions of paper!

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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
#14 - 2013-09-22 20:07:01 UTC
How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads?

If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? Lol
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-09-22 21:30:29 UTC
Rthor wrote:
How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads?

If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? Lol


Multivariate wrote:
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My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.


Not empty quoting.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2013-09-23 00:45:18 UTC
Rthor wrote:
How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads?

If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? Lol


Inflation threads are like "EvE is dying" threads: abundant and generally groundless.

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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
#17 - 2013-09-23 02:02:13 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Rthor wrote:
How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads?

If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? Lol


Multivariate wrote:
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My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.


Not empty quoting.


Hehe. I will bet against this. I think that it is something else.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2013-09-23 08:04:16 UTC
Demand for the rebalanced ships has increased, at the expense of less demand for the ships that have not been rebalanced.

While the Widow has fallen, the Ishtar has soared.

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-09-24 20:15:43 UTC
Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.

Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.

Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.

What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher.
As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.

By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.

If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.

So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.

P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-09-24 21:32:15 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.

Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.

Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.

What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher.
As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.

By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.

If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.

So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.

P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.


I don't know how big your operations are, but it is highly unlikely that you as an individual are having any effect on prices, especially not Jita prices.
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