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Black Ops cloaked warp

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DaveBC
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-09-19 05:08:15 UTC
Looked for a thread on this. suprsingly no one has posted on this feature. Pls consider allowing Black Ops ships to warp cloaked. Seems odd the rest of the fleet can do so. Other than bridging its left out.

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Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-19 06:02:18 UTC
It's actually been brought up in many different posts. With the marauder rebalance coming many people are thinking about the future of Blops. The general consensus is that Blops don't do their job particularly well, and there is even a degree of support for Blops that can use covert-ops cloak (and thus allow for cloaked warping). However CCPs general concern seems like it will be re-evaluating the ship role before they decide how that would factor in. Jayne Fillon made this excellent topic:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=277300&find=unread
CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2013-09-20 09:37:52 UTC
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2013-09-20 11:53:50 UTC
This has been brought up many, many times.

I assume the ability to warp cloaked for a Blops could be considered to big an advantage what with being able to throw your ship across space to covert or normal cynos and not to mention bridging covert fitted gangs.

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TZeer
BURN EDEN
#5 - 2013-09-20 14:10:51 UTC
I'm a bit divided on this.

In that I'm not sure they would be that OP people claim them to be.

Let's a have a look at the covert cruisers atm and stealth bombers.

Covert cruisers can cloak while warp, most of them run dual EW bonuses and some of them can do some solo stuff within certain limits.

Stealth bombers can warp while cloaked, deal out more DPS then current BO's and deploy bombs that in a coordinated effort can wipe an entire gang out.

BO....

- Less HP then BS, even less then BC
- Less DPS then T1 BS

It's special ability is useless if you have no gang. It's penalized for even fitting a cloak.

It's ability to jump directly to a covert cyno is far more useful and powerful then fitting a covert cloak imo.


Let's hypothetically say the BO's got ability to fit a covert cloak. What could happen?

- Getting through gates. Most likely we would see more BO getting killed, since some people would maybe try and get through gates and not use the jump ability. A big slow BS with a covert cloak, is still a big slow BS that should be easy to decloak if caught on a gate with a bubble.

- OP solo PWN mobiles. In it's current form, highly doubt it. We should see solo BO drops all over the place then with a covert cruiser alt doing the tackling. Any of the cruisers would be better at tackling and holding the target then any of the BO's. You have maybe a few peeps doing it in EVE, but I haven't seen a single one personally.

- OP in groups.... Dunno, if you have 20 BO's cloaked in a system you would kinda know. If not you would definitely know after they killed the first guy. And even then I would be more worried about the 20 BO's sitting in an unknown system waiting for a cyno to go up.

And even then you could have 20 bombers instead that would align faster, drop bombs, more DPS and more range for almost half the price of a BO.

Hound: 20 mil
Panther: 670 mil = 33 bombers

Only obvious advantage it would get is a possibility to re position within a system without decloaking. Could do the same thing with a cyno out/inn again. Only thing now is that you would know that they are in the system...

So yeah, I'm not sure they would be that OP as people claim them to be.

Could be obvious things I have missed out on, if so, please point them out.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-20 14:37:45 UTC
DaveBC wrote:
Looked for a thread on this. suprsingly no one has posted on this feature. Pls consider allowing Black Ops ships to warp cloaked. Seems odd the rest of the fleet can do so. Other than bridging its left out.

Thanks,
DaveBC Big smile



except for bombers most have a decloak delay. Why I am not partial to the covert ops cloaking working. I like the no delay on decloak. If ccp were to give co cloak ability I'd see no delay going away. Warped cloak, drop on target and the right fit and skills a fast lock just seems to be on the op side.


An interesting caveat that has crossed my mind is make the speed while cloaked bonus mean something. Have blops negate speed nerf of cloak. I like an idiot never even saw speed cloaked in eft. Thought man this bonus is gonna be niiiiiice. And first time traveling while cloaked in a widow went wtf....man did I misread that bonus lol.
BigSako
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-20 15:08:23 UTC
First, people are bitching about cloaky AFK campers, then at the same time they want covert ops cloaks on Black Ops.

While I do like Black Ops and I know a lot of my alliance mates use them all the time, I have to disagree with the idea of covert ops cloak on Black Ops as they are at the moment.

However, I can approve the idea of a covert ops battleship that
a) does not have a Jump Drive and
b) can not be used as a briding ship.

Basically that would be something like a marauder just with a cov ops cloak, less dps and less tank.