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destroyers - gankers and high sec

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Dave Stark
#441 - 2013-09-20 05:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
unidenify wrote:
I never understand why people don't bother to tank their mining barge

in right config on procurer (all T2). I can get over 100k EHP against Kinetic, Thermic, and Explosive.


because if you just mine somewhere where gankers don't frequent in a higher yield mining barge, it's more efficient to just swallow a loss every blue moon than it is to bother tanking them.

although, then, obviously, you have no right to complain about losing ship. ever.
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#442 - 2013-09-20 06:01:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
James Akachi wrote:




well not necessarily. I play because the game and universe is beautiful, if you gave me a single player RPG with Eve's graphics and ships I would be playing that instead, sadly no such game exists, at least not one I enjoy.


X3.


X Rebirth next month/late November. I've also heard something about a game called "Star Citizen".

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#443 - 2013-09-20 06:04:20 UTC
Never been in a gang so not sure about this but couldn't the hulk assign his rep drones to the orca and if not might it have been possible he was going to use them on the Orca thinking a larger force may warp in to gank it?

As for being bullies I'm not so sure. I like to gank people too but I do it within the intended mechanics (high sec war decs,, using battleships, using my main not a throwaway account or suicide alt) and recently in null afk'ing in ratting mining hubs.

I think what the majority of gankers want is easy risk minimised ganks which is identical to what the miners want, maximum yield mining with minimum risk. Same easy mode just different goals.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#444 - 2013-09-20 06:06:12 UTC
Twylla wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
James Akachi wrote:




well not necessarily. I play because the game and universe is beautiful, if you gave me a single player RPG with Eve's graphics and ships I would be playing that instead, sadly no such game exists, at least not one I enjoy.


X3.


X Rebirth next month/late November. I've also heard something about a game called "Star Citizen".

Do not watch Star Citizen trailer on YouTube. It'll make you fearful of EvEs future beyond 2014 :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#445 - 2013-09-20 06:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Never been in a gang so not sure about this but couldn't the hulk assign his rep drones to the orca and if not might it have been possible he was going to use them on the Orca thinking a larger force may warp in to gank it?

As for being bullies I'm not so sure. I like to gank people too but I do it within the intended mechanics (high sec war decs,, using battleships, using my main not a throwaway account or suicide alt) and recently in null afk'ing in ratting mining hubs.

I think what the majority of gankers want is easy risk minimised ganks which is identical to what the miners want, maximum yield mining with minimum risk. Same easy mode just different goals.



Highsec isn't really 'maximal yield'. It's the low-end stuff that the universe needs metric tons of to turn. Highsec mining is the lowest tier. It isn't glorious. It isn't what miners want to be shovelling. They'd rather be after lowsec ores, nulsec ores, but for some reason or another, there aren't avenues for them. Most of those avenues involve more losses than gains.

If you want profitable yields, you could go to lowsec.. pfft. yeah right. Lowsec is a wasteland now that the pvp'ers have run everyone out of there. It's more-or-less guaranteed death. Miners would be hunted like an rabbit in a wolf pen. POS infrastructure would be picked apart for blueprints.

And then there's nulsec, where you have to pay a protection racket and hope they decide not to throw your ass into a borderzone. call you a freeloader, then recruit your corporation dry of pvp'ers before giving you the boot.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#446 - 2013-09-20 06:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
If you want profitable yields, you could go to lowsec.. pfft. yeah right. Lowsec is a wasteland now that the pvp'ers have run everyone out of there. It's more-or-less guaranteed death. Miners would be hunted like an rabbit in a wolf pen.


If by "miners" you mean "morons who can't figure out how D-scan works and want to afk their way through the game", then yes, they would be hunted down and killed. That's pretty much true everywhere but highsec, for that matter. (also, wolf pen? wtf is with that analogy)

Quote:
POS infrastructure would be picked apart for blueprints.


Of course. Working as intended. Refusal to defend yourself results in your destruction. Why should it be any different? So a pack of special snowflakes can get to say that they went to lowsec?

I'd have to qualify the whole "why don't miners go to lowsec" thing as a pretty clear cut case of "Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". They can't hack it anywhere but highsec, so they stay in highsec. Nothing wrong with that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#447 - 2013-09-20 07:08:51 UTC
Twylla wrote:
And then there's nulsec, where you have to pay a protection racket and hope they decide not to throw your ass into a borderzone. call you a freeloader, then recruit your corporation dry of pvp'ers before giving you the boot.

If you are one of our renters, don't cause trouble, pay the rent and it's all good.

That's the way those business agreements work, and it's for a reason

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#448 - 2013-09-20 07:18:54 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Twylla wrote:
And then there's nulsec, where you have to pay a protection racket and hope they decide not to throw your ass into a borderzone. call you a freeloader, then recruit your corporation dry of pvp'ers before giving you the boot.

If you are one of our renters, don't cause trouble, pay the rent and it's all good.

That's the way those business agreements work, and it's for a reason

Why rent it from Goons when you can just use it for free?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#449 - 2013-09-20 07:28:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Do not watch Star Citizen trailer on YouTube. It'll make you fearful of EvEs future beyond 2014 :)

Don't forget about Elite Dangerous... 400 bil fully simulated star systems, realistic damage and physics models, walk in ships.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#450 - 2013-09-20 08:12:01 UTC
Twylla wrote:
If you want profitable yields, you could go to lowsec.. pfft. yeah right. Lowsec is a wasteland now that the pvp'ers have run everyone out of there. It's more-or-less guaranteed death. Miners would be hunted like an rabbit in a wolf pen. POS infrastructure would be picked apart for blueprints.


Mining in lowsec can be interruption-free if you're not stupid about it. There are tons of gits who start mining away in high-traffic systems or who base in highsec and jump a high-low gate every load. Or who go AFK in a belt. That said, I've only ever mined in low ~because I can~ and mining in highsec is really the way to go since you don't have to pay attention. Mining sucks. And I haven't bothered looking at how profitable lowsec mining is since the mineral redistribution.

A starbase is ignored if setup correctly. Nobody actually wants to spend an hour shooting a dickstar with a fleet when the owner has a day to take all the drops out. And good management of the number of datacores and T2 BPCs left inside reduces risk.

The only time anyone has bothered shooting my alt's starbase was the one time I was negligent and left the thing unfuelled. When you only have to shoot the lab, it's worth the time. Otherwise no.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#451 - 2013-09-20 11:07:22 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Do not watch Star Citizen trailer on YouTube. It'll make you fearful of EvEs future beyond 2014 :)

Don't forget about Elite Dangerous... 400 bil fully simulated star systems, realistic damage and physics models, walk in ships.

…neither of which are in the same genre as EVE, and neither of which offer any of EVE's main selling points.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#452 - 2013-09-20 12:41:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Do not watch Star Citizen trailer on YouTube. It'll make you fearful of EvEs future beyond 2014 :)

Don't forget about Elite Dangerous... 400 bil fully simulated star systems, realistic damage and physics models, walk in ships.

…neither of which are in the same genre as EVE, and neither of which offer any of EVE's main selling points.



I'm guessing their main selling point may have just become, "Tippia ain't playing"?

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#453 - 2013-09-20 13:09:07 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
I'm guessing their main selling point may have just become, "Tippia ain't playing"?

That would mean they'd not be able to put their products on the market due to breaking false advertising laws.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#454 - 2013-09-20 13:22:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
I'm guessing their main selling point may have just become, "Tippia ain't playing"?

That would mean they'd not be able to put their products on the market due to breaking false advertising laws.


I only think he cares whether or not you're posting on the forums there.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#455 - 2013-09-20 13:22:34 UTC
So you don't hurt his feelings again.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#456 - 2013-09-20 13:26:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Do not watch Star Citizen trailer on YouTube. It'll make you fearful of EvEs future beyond 2014 :)

Don't forget about Elite Dangerous... 400 bil fully simulated star systems, realistic damage and physics models, walk in ships.

…neither of which are in the same genre as EVE, and neither of which offer any of EVE's main selling points.

Lol what selling points. Don't fly anything you don't want ganked by newb alts in newb ships. Build up your alliance and corp and watch it be disbanded and all your shite stolen because of some lame vote mechanic. You can subscribe but unless you play one specific way you'll be unable to enjoy most of the content. Our outdated sov mechanics are so bad you won't be able to take any space but you can rent some from established players. If you like solo play bad luck. If you like mining you'll get ganked, bumped and harassed constantly. If you want to travel anywhere you'll need a second account because all PvP centres around zone in camping. We actively encourage scamming and ignore scamming bots even though they spam 23.45 hours a day - hey it's possible they're at the keyboard right.

That sounds fantastic.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#457 - 2013-09-20 13:29:10 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol what selling points.
Single-shard MMO, player-driven economy, all-aspect multiplayer sandbox.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#458 - 2013-09-20 13:30:35 UTC
if some people simply stopped insisting on being wrong all the time they needn't get their feelings hurt by tippia at all
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#459 - 2013-09-20 13:36:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol what selling points.
Single-shard MMO, player-driven economy, all-aspect multiplayer sandbox.

It will have one persistent universe, the economy will be player driven. The missions will be generated by player owned assets dynamically.

Not sure about sandbox but I imagine taking systems won't require emailing CCP for reinforcing nodes or waiting 24 hours to blow someone's crap up, sending them an email and letting them pick the best time to gank you.

Hardly sandbox is it.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#460 - 2013-09-20 13:41:57 UTC
still raging about that eh