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Vihura
Vihura Cor
#1 - 2013-09-20 10:54:18 UTC
I have question ? What was logical reasoning to give cruises hull size interceptor agility, MWD frigate speed , 5 small drone, 400+ dps ??
To mare
Advanced Technology
#2 - 2013-09-20 11:07:49 UTC
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-09-20 11:09:34 UTC
Please show us on the doll where the fellow from FA touched you. A caracal alone doesn't stand a chance against a pirate cruiser. A rlm caracal should have bugged out as soon as it hit d-scan
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#4 - 2013-09-20 11:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Doe
To mare wrote:
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc

Actually it's just a buffer fit brutix with 90% webs and besides the phantasm and cynabal, the rest have a similar ehp level.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
To mare
Advanced Technology
#5 - 2013-09-20 11:51:35 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
To mare wrote:
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc

Actually it's just a buffer fit brutix with 90% webs and besides the phantasm and cynabal, the rest have a similar ehp level.

since OP said cyna have speed and agility comparable to an interceptor i tought i was allowed some exagerations
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#6 - 2013-09-20 12:01:23 UTC
To mare wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
To mare wrote:
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc

Actually it's just a buffer fit brutix with 90% webs and besides the phantasm and cynabal, the rest have a similar ehp level.

since OP said cyna have speed and agility comparable to an interceptor i tought i was allowed some exagerations

Crusader Aline time 3.05s
Cynabal with one NanoII Aline time 2.93s
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7 - 2013-09-20 12:04:48 UTC
Vihura wrote:
To mare wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
To mare wrote:
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc

Actually it's just a buffer fit brutix with 90% webs and besides the phantasm and cynabal, the rest have a similar ehp level.

since OP said cyna have speed and agility comparable to an interceptor i tought i was allowed some exagerations

Crusader Aline time 3.05s
Cynabal with one NanoII Aline time 2.93s


Busted! LolLolLol
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#8 - 2013-09-20 12:11:18 UTC
To mare wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
To mare wrote:
because its a pirate cruiser, if you look at the vigilant whats the reason to give the thing battleship dps BC tank 90% webs 5 drones etc etc

Actually it's just a buffer fit brutix with 90% webs and besides the phantasm and cynabal, the rest have a similar ehp level.

since OP said cyna have speed and agility comparable to an interceptor i tought i was allowed some exagerations

Sad thing is that the op didn't exaggerate much...

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-09-20 13:11:32 UTC
Because historically CCP has been very bad at balancing. At least Winmatar aren't so winmatar anymore... but when it was winmatar, we needed to have Pirate WinWinWInmatar.

The Mach is OP as hell too, and so was the Dram.

They've already nerfed the Dram, they've said they acknowledge the mach is OPd (as to how much, and how much of a nerf is coming, we don't know), the Cyna needs a bit of a nerf too.

Of course, they need to not over nerf them - at least the T1 cruiser and BS rebalance occurred before the nerf.
At least we should avoid the case of "ship/module A is OP'd relative to group X, nerf ship A", followed by "Group X is underpowered, buff group X" - which leaves ship/module A in the dust.

IMO, Angel ships have always been too OPd (its ok to have an expensive pirate boat be a *little* OPd), while Sansha, guristas, and BR were underwhelming.

IMO they should all be nerfed/buffed relative to "serpentis level"
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2013-09-20 14:27:14 UTC
Yeah Sanshas, Guristas and BR (except the Bhaal, but thats because it is the best at its role: capital-ship-neuter) ships are really miles away from Angels ships. Serpentis is pretty good simply because 90% webs are amazing and mix together well with facemelting dps.

Dramiel was brought down to a reasonable level, it's nowhere as OP as it used to be, but can still be used to great effect with the right pilot. Cyna and Mach definitely need to be brought down a peg but it would be sad to see them nerfed into the realm of being unusable.

So far CCP have been giving most classes of ships a second round of rebalancing after they hit TQ for abit, hopefully they keep this up and we'll have well balanced Angels ships rather than wtf solo pwnboats.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-20 15:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Phius
Posting in yet another one of these I got my ass handed to me by a doulbe skill intensive, high priced, awesome top of the line WAI pirate shinny ship now nerf them please threads.

I wonder if CCP is going to cave to a small group of players on a bunch of alts in the forums calling for nerfs to WAI top shelf ships in EVE. They did give some lip service to the group, but that was way back in 2009 which IMHO looked like nothing more than placation at best. Time will tell.Question
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#12 - 2013-09-20 15:50:37 UTC
Ghost Phius wrote:
Posting in yet another one of these I got my ass handed to me by a doulbe skill intensive

Irrelevant, takes 20-25 days to train a second cruiser to V, and you should never lose the skill. Hardly "skill intensive". I've got plenty of the skills to V just because I want to fly all races, and these pirate ships came as bonus.
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high priced

Price is dictated by supply and demand. The supply is the same as all the other pirate cruisers, yet most of them cost almost half as much (vigilant is the odd one out, costing even more because of its effect with blap dreads). Gee, guess the demand is higher. I wonder why that is? Oh, because it's so powerful it's stronger than its own class.

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awesome top of the line WAI pirate shinny ship now nerf them please threads.

I wonder if CCP is going to cave to a small group of players on a bunch of alts in the forums calling for nerfs to WAI top shelf ships in EVE. They did give some lip service to the group, but that was way back in 2009 which IMHO looked like nothing more than placation at best. Time will tell.Question

Definitely didn't have a CCP post talking about how the Cynabal is too strong and WILL be getting a nerf in another thread. Definitely not.


Here's hoping they don't overnerf it though. I do think it should be powerful, but not broken.
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-20 15:57:23 UTC
Hopefully they put Rise in charge of it, he seems to actually listen to feedback and comes back with new ideas
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-09-20 18:01:43 UTC
Time will tell, maybe we will hear about some new things for the winter expansion.




Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#15 - 2013-09-20 18:03:47 UTC
If a cynabal is as fast as an interceptor, that is one ****** interceptor
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-09-20 18:49:21 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
If a cynabal is as fast as an interceptor, that is one ****** interceptor



***** = slow as hell
Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2013-09-20 19:39:25 UTC
Vihura wrote:
I have question ? What was logical reasoning to give cruises hull size interceptor agility, MWD frigate speed , 5 small drone, 400+ dps ??


Tell us where the bad Cynabal touched you... P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#18 - 2013-09-20 20:26:18 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Please show us on the doll where the fellow from FA touched you. A caracal alone doesn't stand a chance against a pirate cruiser. A rlm caracal should have bugged out as soon as it hit d-scan



Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Vihura wrote:
I have question ? What was logical reasoning to give cruises hull size interceptor agility, MWD frigate speed , 5 small drone, 400+ dps ??


Tell us where the bad Cynabal touched you... P

You were late to the party buddy. Go take your trollpost elsewhere. Contribute. Don't simply state a rhetoric that gets posted in every single thread like this.

Exaggeration in the first post, but the devs have stated the Cynabal's up for a nerf. Therefore he must be right that it's overpowered because if it wasn't the Devs wouldn't be nerfing it.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#19 - 2013-09-20 20:34:45 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
If a cynabal is as fast as an interceptor, that is one ****** interceptor

Hi can you highlight in my post where I wrote the cynabal is faster than interceptor..
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-09-21 03:31:20 UTC
Compulsory pedo-bear reference aside, the point that I tried to show case (without breaking forum rule about linking KM's) is that the OP flying a rlm caracal got caught with his pants down and blown to bits. And a short time later comes posting the same tired saw to nerf "x" I couldn't kill or escape.

I do give OP proper credit for posting with his main however. Others would have hidden behind a sock puppet.
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