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Yummy Yummy Yummy
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-19 01:18:09 UTC
I have a "absolute binding contract" I would like to arrange with certain parties involved.

I am worried about the implications of me getting into trouble for it possibly and remotely falling into the rmt category.

Are we allowed to PAY people with isk for intangible items not directly pertaining to eve?


I will show the contract to who it pertains to, also my offer was 5 million isk for what I wanted, but I retracted the offer until I could get a proper assessment and ruling at the subject at hand.


Contract:



"The bearer of this note hereby assumes full ownership of the soul originally belonging to the undersigned, once conditions are met"

Terms and conditions are a legally binding contract, let it be known on this date:

The applicant or seller of the soul shall relinquish the ownership of their mortal soul upon death for eternity. By virtue of this agreement I understand that I will be erase from the Book Of Life and entered into the Black Book Of Death. This Pact, binds me in a manner that is irrevocable and I agree to fully surrender my soul unconditionally. I being of sound mind and body fully understand the consequences of signing this contract and I have proceeded willfully, freely and voluntarily.



Also to clarify: I will not be the recipient of the souls , I am just the deliverer of souls to the dark lord
Chic Botany
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-09-19 10:26:36 UTC
I would say no, but put a petition in for a definite answer.

Besides which, what on earth is worth going through the hassle for 5mil isk? UK price for 1 plex is £16.99 from ccp, jita price for 1 plex is about 590 million isk

So 5 million isk is worth (£16.99 / 590) * 5 = £0.144 pence Roll

jeeze you can't even buy a packet of crisps for that nowadays
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#3 - 2013-09-19 10:43:08 UTC
I would say that counts as RMT.

Example: My friend has beer, I want said beer and offer isk for his beer. You/the contract owner are gaining something out of game (whether or not the soul exists is a very different matter entirely, on not the subject we are discussing), and is therfore not allowed.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2013-09-19 11:40:17 UTC
I wonder how exactly existence of that real world beer would be known to CCP in this situation? :)

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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#5 - 2013-09-19 11:58:41 UTC
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name.
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
Zerase Seren
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-19 12:16:24 UTC
Pretty sure it says somewhere that exchanging ISK for anything out of game is against the TOS or EULA. Do some googling.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#7 - 2013-09-19 12:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Amhra Rho wrote:
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name.
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game.


Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Takari
Promised Victorious Entropy
#8 - 2013-09-19 12:48:23 UTC
I imagine you are more than welcome to lay claim to the character's "soul" but not the player's with that contract.

"Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon

"Good luck, shoot straight and don't back down." - Serendipity Lost
Bohawke
#9 - 2013-09-19 13:13:31 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Amhra Rho wrote:
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name.
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game.


Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith.



Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah

(Sorry, I thought we were song-building here...)

I'm just here for the laughs...
Xia Kairui
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-19 13:56:40 UTC
I'm with the "this is likely RMT" faction here.

Nothing out of game can be paid for with game ISK (regardless of whether you believe it exists or not). There were some special exceptions being made for game-related services, like TS3 or web site hosting. You once were allowed to pay for that with ISK. And even then I am not sure this is allowed any more since I haven't checked the EULA much lately.

Once you start allowing stuff like "selling your soul" things might get downhill, with other intangible things like "hugs for ISK", "sex for ISK" and so on. And I'm sure CCP doesn't want that.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#11 - 2013-09-19 13:59:43 UTC
It's not RMT because there is no such thing as a soul. If you give someone ISK in return for nothing (ie, their non-existent soul) your just giving someone ISK.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-09-19 14:23:36 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Amhra Rho wrote:
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name.
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game.


Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith.


And I was round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#13 - 2013-09-19 14:31:51 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
It's not RMT because there is no such thing as a soul. If you give someone ISK in return for nothing (ie, their non-existent soul) your just giving someone ISK.



This. Until the day someone can prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that souls exist then you are trading in... well, concepts.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#14 - 2013-09-19 14:44:41 UTC
Exchange for ANYTHING ingame for ANYTHING out of game is RMT...



/thread

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2013-09-19 15:01:50 UTC
Sorry, free-form contracts got removed several patches ago.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-09-19 15:02:26 UTC
Just make sure you arent getting scammed.


I think souls go for about 3.5 bil these days [though its been a few weeks since I checked so I could be off by a few hundred mil].

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-09-19 17:01:01 UTC
What kind of question is that?

You are not trading anything, therefore it's not RMT.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#18 - 2013-09-19 21:12:35 UTC
true story, I sold my soul for a Chuckwagon gas station sandwich when I was 17 to a close friend. He bought the sandwich, brought it out to the car, and I scribbled down the deed on the back of a scrap of magazine.

Fast forward from the mid-90s to today, and I'm engaged to be married. Just a couple weeks ago I find out that he kept the damn thing for almost 20 years. At our fantasy football draft, he actually gave it back to me, and let me know I should probably give it to my bride. I'm not sappy (and neither is he) but it was a little touching.

Anyway, OP's stupid scheme reminded me of my own stupid scheme way back when, so I'd say this: don't think twice about the "RMT" ramifications, it might make a good story someday.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#19 - 2013-09-19 21:47:08 UTC
Imo, you should make the contract and buy up all the souls you wish. Nothing will be transferred irl. This is role-play. Or a scam, depending on how you look at it. Albeit, a tad freaky role-play, but unless someone can be held legally liable for soul hunting, this is harmless fun. Go for it. But as the only person getting anything is whoever receives your isk, it's not the best plan.

YK
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#20 - 2013-09-20 01:49:06 UTC
Takari wrote:
I imagine you are more than welcome to lay claim to the character's "soul" but not the player's with that contract.

Actually, it's the other way around. Technically, CCP owns the character's soul.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.