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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-19 10:54:52 UTC
Greetings everyone, I have just started playing eve around a month ago, i'm unhappy with a character I made for pvp and decided to reroll.

I made a new char and currently training him for cybernectics 4 to get the best start:

I have a few questions that I hope you can help me with

ArrowWhich skills will I need to make the most of out the mining experience.
ArrowBesides skills are any items required for the best mining output?
ArrowShould I stick with +4 implants or take the time to train to +5? I've read about foreman links, but do they work for a solo miner?
ArrowIf I want to branch out much later on into refining/manufacturing/transportation/trading (I realize this will take a long time but i'm willing to invest in it) how should I start with this, do I mine and keep all the ore I will amass for later use?
ArrowWill I need any other skills besides the mining ones?
ArrowShould I stick with one system and one kind of ore during my mining career ? if not where can I find different kind of ores to mine?
ArrowWhat would be the best solo mining ship? And if mining with a group does it change anything?

Thank you for any assistance you might offer.
AO
Oraac Ensor
#2 - 2013-09-19 11:11:20 UTC
Why create a new character?

All the time you spent training skills on your original character will have been wasted.

If you want to start a new career, just switch to a new training plan.

Nothing you have already trained will harm your new direction.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-09-19 11:38:15 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Why create a new character?

All the time you spent training skills on your original character will have been wasted.

If you want to start a new career, just switch to a new training plan.

Nothing you have already trained will harm your new direction.


I have ran so many missions on him that i'm enemy with caldari and amarr. -6 on both
Joined several corps and quit, including fw npc corp/null sec pvp training corp/ and now in a low sec pirate group, his pvp "history" is quite bad = known in low sec for solo and blobbed often when seen.
Purely trained minmatar with 2.5mill sp, 1 mill in gunnery and some in t2 projectiles, I know some might argue that minnie is the best in solo frigates but it's not when everyone fights in 5 km or blobs, so all in all wasted SP and bad employement history and no income. No reason to stick with him other than support skills for gunner and I have some cpu and powergrid on 5.
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#4 - 2013-09-19 12:01:03 UTC
Check this guide, is a bit outdated, but should give you a good overall view on mining.

www.isktheguide.com
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-09-19 12:30:06 UTC
several points:
1. the only thing more boring than mining is mining solo.
2. noone cares about your corp history or 'wasted' SP, especially if you intend to play solo anyway. as long as you are welcome somewhere in hisec, you can mine away as long as you want.
3. this may be relevant.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-19 13:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
you can track down good systems to mine in here

if you plan on solo mining your ship progression will generally be

Venture -> Procurer or Retriever -> Skiff or Mackinaw

key modules to fit will be
Mining Laser + Mining Laser Upgrade
Strip Miner + [xyz] Mining Crystal + Mining Laser Upgrade
(looking them up on the market, and using 'show info' will show you what skills will be needed)

Some kind of tanking ability may be useful v's lone gankers, use the rigging slots for this along with a dcu/asb combo
Drones will be needed to remove npc's in belts

core fitting skills will carry over, so there's no real need to start with a blank slate

joining an industrial focussed corp would be something to consider, mining alone is not fun
mining as part of a group, is still not fun, but you have people to talk to, to help pass the time.
mining as part of a group will also usually give you Orca support, which means mining specific buffs
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-09-19 14:34:01 UTC
Thx for the info and links are very helpfull all

And yea after thinking it over it would be a waste to start over, and checking http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Creating_an_Alt_Miner It seems I will need drones and shield/navigation skills for the best mining, which I already have so just gonna stick to my main, still gonna mine.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-19 19:37:27 UTC
oh, final thought type info

if some slack jawed muppet tells you need 'a special licence' or 'permit' to mine
tell them to bugger off, you don't

find a different system to mine in, and you will most likely never see them again
the truly stupid actually think they really do need a licence/permit to mine, and cough up the isk

asteroids are free
asteroids spawn to be exploited
they like it, they told me so last week.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-09-19 19:46:51 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
oh, final thought type info

if some slack jawed muppet tells you need 'a special licence' or 'permit' to mine
tell them to bugger off, you don't

find a different system to mine in, and you will most likely never see them again
the truly stupid actually think they really do need a licence/permit to mine, and cough up the isk

asteroids are free
asteroids spawn to be exploited
they like it, they told me so last week.


If I as a slack jawed muppet told him to consider getting a permit, would get a warning and my post deleted. I wonder if it goes both ways? But I do like that we're famous and prevelant enough that you feel the need to warn newbies about us. That should tell the OP alot about the validity of your advice.

OP, mine in a procurer if you are in space with a security rating of .6 or .5. Retrievers should stay in 1.0 - 0.7 systems. And even in 0.7 systems they aren't particularly safe. If you use a Procurer, make sure you put shield extenders and adaptive invulns in the mids (and turn on the invuln) and shield extender rigs in. If you use a Retriever, put nothing in but max yield because nothing will save it if someone wants to kill it. Some guys fly Retrievers and figure in the occasional loss of a ship into their business plans. Thats a decision for you to make according to your isk and your willingness to accept risk.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-19 20:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
ArrowShould I stick with +4 implants or take the time to train to +5? I've read about foreman links, but do they work for a solo miner?

You should only get +5 implants if you are going to be a dedicated at-the-keyboard player. Anything else, and stick with +3s or +4s when you're feeling flush with isk.

ArrowIf I want to branch out much later on into refining/manufacturing/transportation/trading (I realize this will take a long time but i'm willing to invest in it) how should I start with this, do I mine and keep all the ore I will amass for later use?

Just sell the ore for now. You need the isk for skillbooks and gear. Work on standings with one of the NPC mining corps and train the refining skills so you can get perfect refining. Only by having perfect refining skills will you be able to compete on the mineral market.

ArrowShould I stick with one system and one kind of ore during my mining career ? if not where can I find different kind of ores to mine?

when I did mine, i used http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ to calculate what to mine. Go to http://eve-central.com to get the current prices and plug them into the fields on the grismar site. Then mine whatever gives you the best isk/hr. There were some mineral changes in Odyssey though so I'm not sure the grismar site is still accurate.

As for where, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ is the goto site for all kinds of information on systems in Eve.

ArrowWhat would be the best solo mining ship? And if mining with a group does it change anything

It depends on what your acceptable risk level is and how much going back and forth to the station you will accept. A retriever has the biggest ore hold. Less trips to the station. But it is also ridiculously easy to gank, so you'll probably loose a few over your career. Procurer is 1/2 the cost of the Retriver and has a little less than 1/2 the hold. Put a couple of shield rigs and an adaptive invuln along with shield extenders and no one will gank it. But you'll have to go back and forth to the station more.

Mining in a group only really pays off if someone has an Orca to provide boosts to yield and also hold the ore so you don't have to go to the station. But then the Orca guy needs some sort of cut to make it worth his time. That cut is usually a portion of the ore you mine. Sometimes the Orca guy will have perfect refining, so he'll be able to give you the minerals instead of the raw ore which is worth less than the minerals. There is math involved and I hate math, so you'll have to decide for yourself if it is worth it.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Death Reign
Asset Liberators
#11 - 2013-09-19 20:48:40 UTC
ArrowWhich skills will I need to make the most of out the mining experience.
This depends largely on where you want to mine. If you aren't ever planning on leaving HiSec I reccomend getting Exhumers to at least 4 and Mining Frigs to 3. That will get you comfortably into Skiffs, Makinaws, and Hulks.

In addition to this Refining to 5 and Refinery Efficiency to at least 3 if you are staying in HiSec. Then the applicable Ore Processing Skills to IV. In Hi Sec you will find Veldspar, Scordite, Pyroxeres, and the regional Kernite, Plagioclase, and Omber. these Skills are what will get you the T2 Crystals in the T2 Modulated Strip Miners.

I also strongly recommend All the Rank 1 Skills to V. Engineering CPU Management, etc. Core Competency Standard would be a good Certificate to this end. Drones to V, Scout Drones to V, Active AND Passive Shield Tanking to Standard.

In Hisec your ships should be able to tank the belt rats until the cows come home with those skills so you can use mining drones to increase yield.

You will want Mining Upgrades to IV as well. That will get you T2 Mining Laser Upgrades. That also answers your second questions. Those go in Low Slots.

ArrowShould I stick with +4 implants or take the time to train to +5? I've read about foreman links, but do they work for a solo miner?
The Mining Foreman Links don't help you personally much but there are refining and Mining Yield implants that do Benifit from having Cybernetics V.

ArrowWhat would be the best solo mining ship? And if mining with a group does it change anything?

There isn't really a best "SOLO" Mining ship. The Procuror/Skiff can be heavily Shield Tanked which makes them a pain in the ass to gank. Gankers generally won't try. They will move on to a softer target.

The Retriever/Makinaw have very large ore holds, so I guess that as a solo miner this will be your first choice of ship as you can make slightly more in it without a hauler than you can in a Hulk.

The Covetor/Hulk are the pure yield ships, however to benefit from this you need a dedicated hauler. Another drawback here is that both the Skiffs and Mackinaws have more ability to tank. Though you will still have no issue with NPC rats in these.

ArrowShould I stick with one system and one kind of ore during my mining career ? if not where can I find different kind of ores to mine?

Find an area of Eve you like. The actual system doesn't matter though the Sec Status does. 1.0-0.7 will be the safest, while you will start to see occasional ganking in 0.6, and more frequent in 0.5 systems. Actual ore types as listed about you will find in HiSec. Once you decide to move to Null Sec you will want Refinery Efficiency 5 and the rest of the Ore Processing skills.

ArrowIf I want to branch out much later on into refining/manufacturing/transportation/trading (I realize this will take a long time but i'm willing to invest in it) how should I start with this, do I mine and keep all the ore I will amass for later use?

This is really a question for its own post but the short answer here, is Production Efficiency 5 and Mass Production 5.
Oraac Ensor
#12 - 2013-09-19 21:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Anomaly One wrote:
. . . still gonna mine.

Good for you.

What people really mean when they say that A, B or C is boring or that there is no fun in X, Y or Z is that those things are boring and no fun for them and have the arrogance to assume that, because they feel that way, so will everyone else.

If you like mining, go ahead.

Do whatever you like - that's what EVE is all about.
Bobby Thane
Le Cercle Ultreme
#13 - 2013-09-19 23:22:00 UTC
Decent solo miner

Something to shoot for. Gank resistant and 0.0 capable.

Okay, he's actually a Rorqual driver, but just skip the jump, capital and leadership skills and add mining upgrades and you have a real nice miner.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-19 23:39:26 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


If I as a slack jawed muppet told him to consider getting a permit, would get a warning and my post deleted. I wonder if it goes both ways? But I do like that we're famous and prevelant enough that you feel the need to warn newbies about us. That should tell the OP alot about the validity of your advice.


feel free.



and I only mentioned the permit in passing, as an afterthought.
the miners that have payed, of the ones that i have spoken to, payed because they had been informed it was a mandatory requirement by the person collecting the "fee".

when the enforcement process is based upon a blatant fabrication, i'm going to tell it like it really is

asteroids are FREE
mine them as you wish.
smart miners pay nothing to mine.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-20 19:14:55 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
ArrowIf I want to branch out much later on into refining/manufacturing/transportation/trading (I realize this will take a long time but i'm willing to invest in it) how should I start with this, do I mine and keep all the ore I will amass for later use?


As previously stated, I would sell the ore for now. However, once you get some capital, I would look into trading. This will familiarize you with the market and prices of different items which will be useful if you decide to produce as well increase your wallet nicely. Also it takes almost no time to train for and will give you something to do while the ore lasers are cycling.

In fact, if you take a bit of extra time to train remote trade skills you can actually place buy and sell orders from your retriever.

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