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Gallente Snipers

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Mordred Banks
Socialist Bureau for Fabrication and Invention
#1 - 2013-09-19 13:02:41 UTC
Hello. I'm new to PVP (Ultra-noob) but have now joined a null sec alliance that does roams and stuff.

I'm a Gallentean Char and don't have many skills atm. Basically I have T2 Small Hybrids and T2 Med/Scout Drones.
I'd like to get into PVP, and would like to be a long range sniper.

From the research I've done -- a lot of people point towards the battleships for sniping, but I'd rather something fast/manoeuvrable but with range.

Any ideas? Ships + Fits and guides for being a Gallentean Sniper?

Ty
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-09-19 13:25:25 UTC
Medium range: Sentry Ishtar (Navy Vexor, Myrm), Rail Deimos (Thorax, Brutix)
Long range: Talos

Generally Gallente favours tracking (=close range) over range on the gunships, which is the territory of Caldari.

Best would probably be to ask your corp/alliance about their doctrines and train something to fit the fleets. Being the only sniper in a brawler gang doesn't really work, and for solo you are limited to alphaing sof targets on undocks or gates, as you lack the means of tackling targets from your range.

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Mordred Banks
Socialist Bureau for Fabrication and Invention
#3 - 2013-09-19 14:20:35 UTC
Mmmm, ty. I'll have to train up some medium T2 rails and maybe even aim for a Sentry Ishtar (Long way away)


Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#4 - 2013-09-19 14:31:13 UTC
Mordred Banks wrote:
Mmmm, ty. I'll have to train up some medium T2 rails and maybe even aim for a Sentry Ishtar (Long way away)




Sentry Ishtars are counter intutive for roams. Because roam ships zip around and sentry drones... well they don't. Therefore if you are forced to flee twice you will then have 0 dps.

Brutix, Deimos are your best bet if you simply must use gallente ships and allthough as mentioned above they are a natural fit for mid range (and thus good to have in a roam) they can also be made to work at long range, albeit with a bit less dps and a lot more squishier.
Mordred Banks
Socialist Bureau for Fabrication and Invention
#5 - 2013-09-19 16:30:09 UTC
When you say medium range-- would that be beyond long point range? (30-40km mark?)

I also see the point about the Ishtar. Okay, I'll have to look at Battleclinic for Rail Brutixes and Deimosii
Eggs Ackley
#6 - 2013-09-19 17:30:33 UTC
Brutix.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#7 - 2013-09-19 18:27:35 UTC
Mordred Banks wrote:
Okay, I'll have to look at Battleclinic for Rail Brutixes and Deimosii

Don't expect great results - in addition to BC being BC, everything has changed recently. The "standard fits" aren't really established in the way they were.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-19 18:31:40 UTC
Eggs Ackley wrote:
Brutix.



Indeed, new rails Brutix is sexy as hell and does more than just put the finger in the enemies eye Lol

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Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2013-09-19 18:52:19 UTC
You could also ask your corp/alliance what fits they'd use in the roams, as they probably have a list.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-19 19:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You could also ask your corp/alliance what fits they'd use in the roams, as they probably have a list.




Did you guys even thought about the eventual possibility OP posts here about this because either his corp doesn't do all the things you guys assume or because of another reason? -affinity etc etc, yeah no one is perfect yadaya everyone started some day and did mistakes yadaya (except Harry, he's self sufficient)

Op I'd say keep both, but of course this is just my opinion, but what you need to realize is that you're playing this game and it's first rules are simple, one of them is play on the long term.
On the medium run you'll soon be able to fly both ships and you'll have then to buy another or regret selling one of them for immediate profit when you could finally have done something better with.

If you feel comfortable enough with you isk revenue (think about getting in touch with low sec dudes to easier do your PI over there and have a stable revenue income to support a part of your activities in eve), then why not just join some group roaming in low/null with your drake or NRacal?
There a couple dudes running small fleets or people to have fun, not mandatory to leave your corp, not mandatory to have whatever amount of SP, just bring a good ship ask advices for fits and your role job and go for a ride, as simple as that.
You might actually find some fun dieing in your racal better than in another hull or whatever the heck, what it matters is how much fun you have doing whatever you do with whatever the heck tool you use because you feel comfortable or like it.

Imho this is one of the important parts you should consider if you want to have fun playing Eve, don't let anyone tell you how to play or what to do unless you accept this behavior in change of something else your interest is in. Just like business.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-09-20 02:07:52 UTC
Mordred Banks wrote:
Hello. I'm new to PVP (Ultra-noob) but have now joined a null sec alliance that does roams and stuff.

I'm a Gallentean Char and don't have many skills atm. Basically I have T2 Small Hybrids and T2 Med/Scout Drones.
I'd like to get into PVP, and would like to be a long range sniper.

From the research I've done -- a lot of people point towards the battleships for sniping, but I'd rather something fast/manoeuvrable but with range.

Any ideas? Ships + Fits and guides for being a Gallentean Sniper?

Ty


If you want to be a gallante pilot just keep training until you are done with large hybrids and during the process find about 4 days to cross train caldari cruisers to III and then caldari battlecruisers to IV, and that will give you the Naga as a cheap mobile sniper.

Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-09-20 03:00:16 UTC
I'm going to second the advice to ask the people you are flying with. Chances are the FC at least has some experience.

More importantly, you want to fly a ship within the scope of the fleet. For example, you will want to fly an armor tanked ship if you have armor logi in the fleet. At the very least, the FC will want your ship to operate within certain ranges/speeds to work with the overall fleet.
Kitchen sink fleets are fine, but a well prepared fleet is anything but a random collection of ships.


SHORTCUT
Train to fly a Sabre. That is the first ship any newb should fly for a null sec alliance, and for some- it's a bare minimum requirement for admission. You need never fly another ship beyond that...no one will ever complain and you will be useful to virtually every fleet that undocks.
The Dictor pilot is utterly essential in null sec. You will scout +1, you will rock that D-Scan like a boss, you will act independently from the commands of the FC but will be on everyone's watchlist. You will die, horribly and often...such is the life of Professional Grade Tackle (tm).
Stick with it, and you will someday single handedly hold capital ships on field against their will in a Hictor. The reason you die so fast and often is that you, in that little T2 destroyer/cruiser, are the single most lethal ship on the field. Your fiery death is a tribute to the terror you instill in an FC's heart.

I can fly most sub-capital ship classes and still fly the Sabre more than anything else. It's just the most fun ship I've found yet to fly in this game. The bigger ships I'm able to fly, the more I enjoy flying small ones in fleets.
Rengerel en Distel
#13 - 2013-09-20 12:23:01 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You could also ask your corp/alliance what fits they'd use in the roams, as they probably have a list.




Did you guys even thought about the eventual possibility OP posts here about this because either his corp doesn't do all the things you guys assume or because of another reason? -affinity etc etc, yeah no one is perfect yadaya everyone started some day and did mistakes yadaya (except Harry, he's self sufficient)



So you're saying a member of the CFC probably can't access any information about pvp ships that they use in their fleets? I'm going to say you're wrong, and the best answer is to ask those people he is going to pvp with what he should fly.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Marik Starsong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-20 15:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Marik Starsong
The OP is in SMA and CFC. Trust me, we have plenty of doctrines and available guidance.

You need to check both the alliance and coalition forums. We have clear alliance *and* coalition doctrines that cover the entire spectrum of our ops and those doctrines are what you should be training for. The SMA alliance doctrines are (in general) much tighter to fit than some of the coalition doctrines.

You should be asking in alliance chat and in your particular roaming fleets and paying attention to the doctrines that are announced when fleet roams go out on pings.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-20 17:19:08 UTC
Hah. I just updated my year old Rail Brutix fits in EFT. 500ish gun DPS with CN antimatter? More with drones. And that is with armor tank. Shield tank would be even nastier.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

SghnDubh
BattleClinic
#16 - 2013-09-20 19:28:41 UTC
Mordred Banks wrote:
When you say medium range-- would that be beyond long point range? (30-40km mark?)

I also see the point about the Ishtar. Okay, I'll have to look at Battleclinic for Rail Brutixes and Deimosii



Consider posting a few loadouts you think will work and look over the responses, since that's where the true value of the loadout function is.